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RE: [tools-pmc] FW: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
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Hi Doug,
This discussion has a direct correlation with a similar contribution that was made to GEF in Ganymede: the Zest visualization toolkit.
GEF is still "mostly" run by IBM and IBM did not specifically ask for or need Zest to be put into GEF.
But there was Eclipse community support to have the Zest component moved into GEF.
So what we did was added Zest to GEF, but additionally added a GEF committer who specifically takes care of Zest (Thanks Ian). And no changes were required to make Zest work in GEF so it is an independent GEF component.
Hope this helps.
Cheers...
Anthony
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IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GMF / Modeling Tools
Phone: 613-270-4613
"Schaefer, Doug" ---07/11/2008 02:12:39 PM---Thanks Anthony,
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RE: [tools-pmc] FW: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP |
Thanks Anthony,
I have a little more detail. It was a contribution from the IBM developers that created the Eclipse-based Cell IDE to Parallel Tools Project. I'm not sure if it was solicited or not and I think Greg has been away since I haven't heard from him. But I did hear from Beth Tibbits of the PTP project who explained that the Cell team had desires to make the tooling more generic and applicable to other community members. So I'm less concerned now.
But this is something that has come up a few times over the years and always made uncomfortable. If a contribution is targeted solely at the customers of the vendor that contributed the work, is that an appropriate contribution. On the surface, it appears that the vendor is trying to find a open source home and distribution channel for the work and chose Eclipse. They could have just as easily, if not more easily, created a SourceForge project to achieve the same results. Unless they wanted the Eclipse brand to help promote the work. And that's where I get really uncomfortable.
At any rate, if the community strongly supports it, we as the PMC should probably let it pass. I'm more worried if the community doesn't express an opinion and it just slips through.
Cheers,
Doug.
From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anthony Hunter
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] FW: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Hi Doug,
" the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate", what does PTP have to say about this?
If this is a contribution request to PTP why are we asking the tools PMC for guidance?
Cheers...
Anthony
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Software Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source Components
IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GMF / Modeling Tools
Phone: 613-270-4613
"Schaefer, Doug" ---07/11/2008 11:27:56 AM---Looking for guidance here. Is this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
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[tools-pmc] FW: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP |
Looking for guidance here. Is this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:11 AM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Cool, thanks Craig. I can see Cell being useful for the scientific community. But I'm trying to figure out if there is any separation between the Cell IDE and IBM commercial interests. You did somewhat confirm that you are an IBM customer and do fit on the commercial side. I assume IBM, like most platform vendors, should be providing a supported IDE as a part of their solution, no?
I think we get into a fuzzy area when a commercial vendor contributes software that can only be used with their products. I have similar concerns with the xlc integration with the CDT, BTW. I'll need to check up the chain about that, assuming that's what this is. And, if the community fully support this, it makes it harder for me to argue.
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Rasmussen
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:44 AM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
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Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
The Cell architecture is a big component of Los Alamos' computing vision. We have just purchased the 1 Petaflop Roadrunner machine and are looking for ways to ease the transition for our developers. I'm a member of a small team of neural scientists at LANL who are purchasing a small Cell based cluster for code development. Our team is also using Eclipse and PTP and the Cell IDE fits very nicely in the parallel space we are working in.
Cheers,
Craig
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
I've added a comment on the bug. I'm just wondering how the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate. And I'm wondering about the community around the Cell IDE, i.e., who uses it, is there a community outside of IBM commercial interests?
Doug wearing his Tools PMC hat.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Leonardo Augusto GuimarĂ£es Garcia
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:09 PM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Greg,
I attached the necessary patches and the source code for Cell IDE in the Eclipse bug #240243.
Please, let me know if there is any issue.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
Linux on Cell and Prism Focal Point - LTC Brazil
IDE Software Engineer - Linux on Cell
Linux Technology Center Brazil
Phone: +55-19-2132-2068 (T/L: 839-2068)
lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Leonardo Augusto GuimarĂ£es Garcia wrote:
Greg,
I opened Eclipse bug #240243 in order to contribute Cell IDE source code to PTP.
I'll attach the necessary patches and source code on the bug by the end of this week so that you and others interested can take a look.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
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