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From: tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Aaron Spear
Sent: Montag, 24. November 2014 18:03
To: TM project developer discussions; Michael Scharf
Subject: Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
Hi again Doug et all,
Yes, certainly many are enjoying the fruit of the TM committers
vision
and
labor, and we owe you all a very big debt of gratitude. Thanks
for
your
seemingly endless enthusiasm, energy and commitment to making
great
software. I do of course agree that it is not reasonable for my
company or
anyone else to expect you all to continue to maintain RSE out of
the
goodness
of your heart (however good it may be, there is only so much a
human
can do!)
Assuming that we or others with a vested interest are willing to
step
up and
help, what would that look like? It would appear that anyone
that
is
going to
help is not likely to be a current committer on the project since
as
you said
there is no one left to do this. I am not sure how that would
work
to
have
myself or someone else from VMware or Redhat etc. to jump in for
maintenance for the next release perhaps?
After having written a fair bit of code that extends RSE I do
certainly
agree with
others that it is not an ideal model, and so I am also interested
in
what a
migration path looks like and would be interested in contributing
work
there.
Like Uwe said in another follow on, maybe that looks like adding
the
SSH/SFTP
to Target Explorer or something. In practice our usage has
tended
to
mash-up
different underlying technologies on one connection. In effect
we
are
using
SSH/SFTP for file system access and the terminal as well as the
ability
to spawn
remote processes and redirect stdio. Then we additionally use
unrelated web
services on the same target to provide other objects in the tree
(e.g.
power on
a VM, etc.). So all that to say, a more flexible model in the
tree
would be
great. I know very little about it, but it does appear that the
new
org.eclipse.remote API provides much of what we need minus a
terminal,
but I
am not sure how that fits into an "explorer" view of one flavor
or
another.
thanks again,
Aaron
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On
Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:22 PM
To: TM project developer discussions; Michael Scharf
Subject: Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?
Hi Aaron, good to hear from you again. I’m glad that Vmware, and
othercompanies, are enjoying the fruits of the hard work that the
RSE
team
hasput in over the years. But as I’m sure you’re aware, these
haven’t
beencharitable donations, and those who have contributed are now
gone.
Theresno one left to do this for you. If you and others want it
alive,
you needto
step up and invest in it.Doug.On 2014-11-21, 7:30 PM, "Aaron
Spear"
<aspear@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:>Hi TM friends,>>I am a little unclear
on
what
is being proposed here, but it sure looks>like you are talking
about
a
possible
end of life for RSE as we know it?>>I think you would probably be
surprised just
how many companies and>others are using RSE downstream. VMware
for
instance is using it for>file system, terminals, and other custom
services for a
number of>developer SDK's targeting our main products (including
ESX
hypervisor,>vCenter, vCenter Orchestrator and others). We
actually
have a
subsystem>and such to support connecting to Windows boxes using
CIFS
that
we were>thinking about contributing. RSE certainly has its
warts,
but
it
still>has a place in our product lines and VMware would like to
keep
it
around.>
I suspect there are other companies in this camp too. Heck I
find
it>generally
useful to have around while I am doing web development so that>I
can
easily
edit remote configuration files in my local
eclipse>seamlessly.>>Are
you
looking for new blood to jump in and maintain it?>>best
regards,>Aaron
Spear,
VMware>>>-----Original Message----->From:
tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On>Behalf Of Doug
Schaefer>Sent:
Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:13 AM>To: Michael Scharf; TM
project
developer discussions>Subject: Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM
3.7?>>We
quickly discussed this on the architecture council call and it
appears>there are
commits happening, but it¹s not being picked up by the portal>at
the
moment.
So it¹s not quite dead yet :). But certainly at issue.>>Doug.>>On
2014-11-13,
11:10 AM, "Michael Scharf" <eclipse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:>>>+1 let it
die
unless
someone steps up...>>>>Michael>>>>On 2014-11-13 15:52, Greg
Watson
wrote:>>> I¹m fine with this if we have everyone¹s agreement.
Committers on
the>>>project are:>>>>>> € Anna Dushistova>>> € David
McKnight>>> €
Greg
Watson>>> € Kevin Doyle>>> € Martin Oberhuber>>> € Michael
Scharf>>>
€
Uwe Stieber>>>>>> Assuming Martin and Uwe have already agreed,
I¹d
like
to
have a +1>>>from Anna, David, Kevin, and Michael before
proceeding.
I
don¹t
think>>>we can proceed unless we have at least a majority of
committers
voting>>>+1.>>>>>> If we go ahead with archiving TM, I suggest we
use
Luna
SR2 for the>>>final release and withdraw from Mars.>>>>>> Here¹s
a
summary:>>>>>> 1. Announce TM change proposal to cross-project a.
Final
release of>>> TM 3.7 with Luna SR2 b. TM to withdraw from Mars 2.
Agreement from>>> TCF project to host Terminal 3. Approval from
PMC
for
restructuring>>> review 4. Restructuring review to move Terminal
to
TCF
5.
Approval>>> from PMC for termination review 6. Termination review
7.
TM
is>>> archived>>>>>> Is this agreed? Anybody not in
agreement?>>>>>>
Thanks,>>> Greg>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:13 AM,
Oberhuber,
Martin>>><Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:Martin.Oberhube
r@
windriver.com>>>>>wrote:>>>>>>> Ok.>>>> If the plan of archiving
TM
solidifies, we¹ll need to inform>>>>cross-project about that.>>>>
Greg
are you
going to do that ?>>>> I could imagine that there will be a
couple
downstream
projects who>>>>won¹t be happy about TM being archived, so better
announce
early.>>>> Thanks,>>>> Martin>>>> -->>>> *Martin Oberhuber*,
SMTS /
Product Owner Development Tools,*Wind>>>>River*>>>> direct
+43.662.457915.85 fax +43.662.457915.6>>>>*From:*tm-dev-
bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>[mailto:tm-
dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of*Stieber,
Uwe>>>>*Sent:*Thursday,
November 13, 2014 9:25 AM *To:*TM project
developer>>>>discussions>>>>
*Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM 3.7?>>>> Hi
Martin,>>>>
Sounds
like a plan to me.>>>> Best regards, UweJ>>>> *From:*tm-dev-
bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:
tm
-
dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>]*O>>>>n Behalf Of*Oberhuber,
Martin>>>>
*Sent:*Donnerstag, 13. November 2014 08:59 *To:*TM
project>>>>developer
discussions>>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM
3.7?>>>>
So,
following sounds like a plan:>>>> 1.Terminal is moved from TM to
TCF
(that¹s
where the active>>>>committers>>>>are)>>>> 2.We need one more
release
of
TM (Luna SR2 or Mars) such that we can>>>>clean up the
dependencies
on
the
Terminal 3.After that, TM can be>>>>archived as a project.>>>>
Do
the
committers agree ?>>>> Thanks,>>>> Martin>>>> -->>>> *Martin
Oberhuber*,
SMTS / Product Owner Development Tools,*Wind>>>>River*>>>>
direct
+43.662.457915.85 fax +43.662.457915.6>>>>*From:*tm-dev-
bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:
tm
-
dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>]*O>>>>n Behalf Of*Stieber, Uwe>>>>
*Sent:*Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:03 AM *To:*TM
project>>>>developer
discussions>>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch is TM
3.7?>>>>
Hi
Greg,>>>> Well, I can speak only for Terminal and the Terminal is
definitely>>>>under active development. There might be just 2
active
committers>>>>left, myself and Martin Oberhuber from time to
time,
but
we
still do>>>>changes and we still need releases.>>>> I would be OK
to
move out
the Terminal from the TM project but the>>>>proposed common
project
where
things like the Terminal could live>>>>does not exist yet. I¹m
also
fine with
moving the Terminal widget to>>>>the TCF project container, but
that¹s
something Martin Oberhuber>>>>needs to decide.>>>> For the
Terminal,
the
main complains are not necessarily bugs at>>>>this point of time,
the
main
complains are about the fact that you do>>>>have multiple
Terminal
views in
Eclipse once RSE is installed. 2>>>>views are at least deprecated
and
only the
³Terminals² view provided>>>>from the TCF project is maintained
and
where
new features requested>>>>by the users are added. We have to get
the>>>>2
other Terminal views out of Eclipse to stop the user confusion.
The>>>>plan for
doing this is outlined below, but this work does have
some>>>>effect
on EPP
packages. I can do everything outlined below, but I>>>>don¹t know
how
to get
the EPP packages updated to include the correct>>>>features.>>>>
The
cleanup
of the multiple Terminal views should happen for the>>>>Mars
release.>>>>
Regarding the committer meetings, at least for me time is
limited>>>>and
discussing things here instead of a shared conference call
is>>>>easier
to
manage.>>>> Thanks, Best regards, UweJ>>>> *From:*tm-dev-
bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>><mailto:tm-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:
tm
-
dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>]*O>>>>n Behalf Of*Greg Watson>>>>
*Sent:*Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 23:01 *To:*TM project
developer>>>>discussions>>>> *Subject:*Re: [tm-dev] Master branch
is
TM
3.7?>>>> Hi Uwe,>>>> I¹m not sure of the plans at this point.
I¹ve
asked this list
about>>>>the 3.6 version a couple of times but received no reply.
I¹ve
also>>>>invited everyone to the PTP developers conference call to
discuss>>>>plans, but no one from TM ever attended. At this
point,
I¹m
assuming>>>>that the current release is the final release for
TM.>>>>
I¹m not a
developer on the project, so I don¹t know what anyone¹s>>>>plans
are
unless
they let me know. Also, developer¹s will need to>>>>step up and
update
the
project plan, documentation, and anything else>>>>that needs to
be
done. I can
fix the outline of the plan, but>>>>someone else will need to
fill
in
the details.
Finally, we need>>>>people to test the builds before they are
released,
or we
can¹t say>>>>we¹re meeting Eclipse quality. This didn¹t seem to
be
happening
for>>>>the SR1 release.>>>> Regards,>>>> Greg>>>> On Oct 30,
2014,
at
5:43
AM, Stieber, Uwe
<Uwe.Stieber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>><mailto:Uwe.Stieber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:>>>>>>>> Hi Greg,>>>> Can you confirm that I¹m right in
assuming
that
the master branch is>>>>leading to the TM 3.7 release? When will
it
be
released? I¹ve checked>>>>the TM project pages
undereclipse.org/tm>>>><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u
=h
t
t
p
-
3A__eclipse.org_tm&d=A>>>>AIF-g&c=Sqcl0Ez6M0X8aeM67LKIiDJAXVeAw-
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but
this
pages>>>>are not up to date.>>>> If master is leading to the 3.7
release, I
would like to change at>>>>least the TM Terminal feature version
numbers
accordingly. Also I>>>>want to tackle a few Terminal related
releasing
issues
we keep>>>>pushing ahead of us for a long time now.>>>> Not sure
if
you
need
to announce them in some project lead meeting.>>>> 1.Deprecation
of
unused
or no longer supported features a.Take out>>>>the
o.e.tm.terminal.view
and
the o.e.tm.terminal.local from the build>>>>and repositories
b.Move
the
source of this features to>>>>terminal/deprecated folder to keep
the
source
around for reference>>>>c.Remove the o.e.tm.terminal.core.sdk
feature
as
without the>>>>terminal.view feature, the usual SDK feature is
the
same
as
the>>>>core.sdk feature 2.Work on replacement for
org.eclipse.rse.terminal>>>>feature a.Remove this feature from
the
org.eclipse.rse feature>>>>b.Create an replacement providing the
same
entry
points from the RSE>>>>System Explorer as the
org.eclipse.rse.terminal
plug-in
does but use>>>>the newer and maintained TCF Terminals view. The
new
RSE
terminal>>>>feature will be provided by the TCF project like the
TCF
based
file>>>>system and process RSE contributions.>>>> All effort is
related
to
address the many complains about having up>>>>to>>>>3 different
terminals
views available in Eclipse. Final goal is to>>>>bundle all
terminal
related effort,
bugfixing and feature>>>>development, into the superior TCF
Terminals
view.>>>> Best regards, UweJ>>>>
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