Great, thanks.
I guess the sequence would be
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Start from Mangrove (Adrian)
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Continue in the BPMN2 Editor (Bob)
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Expose Web Services to be consumed in the process (Marc D.)
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Take over Bob’s model into Stardust add Web Service, add more integration, deploy and show Runtime (Marc G.)
I have put this on the page Adrian created.
Marc D. did you sent anything about the semantics of you WS?
Thanks,
Marc
From:
Mos, Adrian [mailto:adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2013 10:24
To: Gille, Marc; marc.dutoo@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bbrodt@xxxxxxxxxx; soa-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [soa-pmc] submission to ECON?
Hi guys,
So I think it’s great we are beginning to think about the demo and so on, this should give us some time to actually achieve something integrated. What I could show is:
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Starting from a domain-specific representation of the business process, Mangrove should generate a first BPMN stub. This could contain a simple BPMN diagram as well as perhaps the web services
that correspond to the domain concepts, associated to their appropriate activities. Of course this BPMN diagram would then be enriched with the BPMN editor, before being deployed.
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The mangrove transformation could also generate SCA from this. Now this may not be used for full deployment but we can use this to showcase the fact that we can add architectural elements
in case we are not happy with simple WS invocation.
It would be great If we can come up with a couple of BPMN diagrams that we can discuss on, in order to move all this forward. I created this page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Mangrove/ECon2013Demo
we can use it as a discussion page and for sharing of up-to-date diagrams etc. I put it under the Mangrove wiki but if you think it’s more appropriate to put it under a SOA wiki we can always create
one!
Marc D, since you have the web services for the social-help use-case, can you put together a first draft of a simple BPMN diagram that shows what can be achieved in such a use-case?
Cheers,
Adrian.
Social help is obviously a far better demo case than financial systems …
J Happy to go with that.
What could be a relevant business process calling into this web services?
Marc
Thanks, Bob. That comes timely. I was going to send a similar request.
Suggestions:
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We need an application domain for our sample scenario. Ideas? Financial systems? Logistics? Retail? Something fancier?
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You and I start exchanging sample BPMN models for that domain.
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Model should contain steps being supposed to invoke Web Services. Need WSDL.
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Marc D. to prepare exposing this Web Service.
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Anything Andrian can add on a DL falvour?
Marc
From:
Bob Brodt [mailto:bbrodt@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Dienstag, 12. Februar 2013 19:58
To: SOA PMC mailing list
Cc: Adrian Mos; Marc Dutoo; Gille, Marc
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] submission to ECON?
Hi all,
I just wanted to catch up with everyone and get a (somewhat) early start on preparing for the SOA Symposium. I'm sure at some point we'll need to get serious and make sure we're all reading from the same script, but I just wanted to toss around some ideas sooner
rather than later.
Anyone have any suggestions or ideas?
Cheers!
Bob
Hi guys
I guess we all got the news already, but just to say it, the Eclipse Con program is out and the SOA Symposium is in, so we're getting a little bit closer to the "beer part" ;)
Regards,
Marc
http://eclipsecon.org/2013/program/session-schedule/tutorials
Le 13/12/2012 08:53, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
Bob,
find attached my slide deck I used at EclipseCon Europe 2012. One of the biggest issues there was, that our presentations were not really connected. This is what we intend
to address in Boston.
Regarding Stardust:
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If you have build issues, please post them in the forum. We may help.
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Stardust’s Eclipse Modeler creates indeed XPDL (and the engine consumes it), but this modeler is on sunset – we may want to use yours as indicated on the Stardust HP. We are focusing on our Browser Modeler (also
part of the Stardust code base and called Lightdust) which is working on BPMN and XPDL. For BPMN we are using the Eclipse BPMN2 Metamodel underneath as I think you do. Hence, this should work smoothly (although I agree that we should test at the earliest).
We will be using the Browser Modeler in Boston. We can exchange sample models to check compatibility immediately.
Happy to hop on a conf call any time next week.
Marc
Hi Marc,
Not sure if this has been asked before, but was the EclipseCon Europe presentation recorded, or is there a slide deck available? I would be interested in seeing the "show" in its entirety.
I've started looking seriously at Stardust and am currently running into some build issues, but hope to have those resolved soon. What worries me, though, is that the Process Model editor appears to only handle XPDL. It was my understanding that BPMN2 was supported
also - am I missing something?
When you have some spare time, maybe we could do a conference call and discuss the eclipsecon 2013 presentation. I'd like to get started on preparing something sooner rather than later...just in case ;)
Cheers!
Bob
Great. Thanks, Bob. May be alternatively to “open the process model alternatively with the BPMN2 modeler”, we should open subsequently with both editors to show that both
may modified and be used by their respective audiences without breaking things. Should not be a biggy as we both work on the same metamodel implementation. An nothing is wrong with a little regression test …
Marc
OK, done. Thanks Marc & Marc :)
Bob, just added you to the submission.
I suggest you insert a line saying that, in parallel to modeling the process in Stardust modeler in Orion, you can benefit of the BPMN2 standard to view and edit it in Eclipse thanks to the BPMN2 editor...
Regards,
Marc
Le 19/11/2012 20:32, Bob Brodt a écrit :
OK, that sounds good to me (especially the "beers" part - I can certainly handle that ;)
Can you list me as one of the speakers for the current SOA-Track session and just let me know about how much presentation time I'll have? Is this something we can work out later (maybe in tomorrow's PMC call?)
So, I don't think I'll be able to put something together for the editor by today's deadline, but I could certainly ride your coattails if you'll let me ;)
[marc.gille] Coattail right away.
I'll have much more free time over the Christmas holidays to devote to a presentation - what kind of integration/tutorial were you thinking about Marc?
[marc.gille] Most importantly all tools to be used in an integrated fashion. At least your modeler and Stardust (and its Browser Modeler) should work seamlessly as we are both using BPMN2 metamodel.
Some Web Service + UI Mashup, deploy, run, beers.
That was my thinking.
Cheers!
Bob
Gents,
this is what I have submitted:
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2013/sessions/soa-track
Happy to adjust (or you do). Bob, any chance that you could join the mix?
Marc
Great, so we need to make a submission, deadline is today :). Can somebody (Marc or Marc) do this, and put us three as authors? I'm traveling and don't have a laptop...
Adrian.
Sent from my iPhone.
Hi Adrian, Marc
The other Marc (I) is also interested, as I said in my email replying to Marc's "Attendees SOA Track" email. I'd submit updates to my ECE talks, with new stuff & demos since EasySOA will have ended by then.
Regards,
Marc
Le 16/11/2012 18:16, Mos, Adrian a écrit :
Hi Marc,
So far it seems we are the only ones interested in proposing a session. It would be great if you could put a submission in, you can add me as a co-author. I suggest keeping it simple for now, basically just saying
that following our successful SOA Symposium in ECON EU, we are planning to provide a more focused tutorial, focused on practical demos, to keep the momentum going. There are many things happening in this space and we can certainly show interesting things in
Boston. One idea is to also have a talk accepted, like the Modelling Symposium, with lightning talks from various projects:
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2013/sessions/modelling-symposium
I will be away from Sunday for a week but I can keep in touch by email.
Cheers,
Adrian.
I also think we should. But I cannot work on anything before tomorrow afternoon. Happy to draft sth after.
Marc
Hi Guys,
the submission deadline to ECON 2013 is Monday. Are we going to propose a follow-up session to our SOA Symposium? I think we should… What are your thoughts?
Adrian.
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