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Re: R: [soa-iwg] IWG media launch on April 22
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Scott,
the working group is open to the extent that the Eclipse Industry Working Group Process allows for. If you feel that this process is in any way flawed with respect to openness, then you'd better direct your concerns to the Eclipse Board. The SOA IWG does not have the authority to change a process that not only governs its own operation, but also the operation of other IWGs such as Pulsar.
Frankly, I don't see your point. We welcome your participation as an individual, but the IWG can't consider Composent, Inc. as a participant as long as Composent, Inc. is not an Eclipse member company. What's so terribly wrong with that?
If you ask me for my personal view, I feel it's perfectly fine for the Foundation to ask organizations that intend to leverage the IWG for marketing, extended market exposure etc. to give something back by becoming an Eclipse member.
Cheers,
Oliver
Am 16.04.2010 um 16:41 schrieb Scott Lewis:
> I see we're to quoting the process document again.
>
> I would assert that any working group that wants to call itself 'open'
> should actually be 'open'. If that means fixing the process document,
> then I suggest it be done.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Oliver Wolf wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> I think the main issue here is that AFAIK Composent, Inc. is not an
>> Eclipse member company. The Eclipse Industry Working Group Process [1]
>> document states in section 2 that
>>
>> "[...] Participation in IWGs is only open to certain Members of the
>> Eclipse Foundation. [...]"
>>
>> As I understand this statement, membership in Eclipse is a
>> prerequisite for participation in IWGs. You, Scott, as a committer on
>> the ECF project are definitely a member of the Foundation and you're
>> therefore free to participate in any IWG as an individual. Your
>> company, Composent, Inc., is not a member.
>>
>> It might look like nitpicking, but the rationale behind this arguably
>> strict rule is that the Foundation wants to encourage organizations
>> that intend to participate in IWGs and benefit from the joint
>> marketing effort to become full members and -- ultimately -- help fund
>> the Foundations's work with their membership fees.
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.eclipse.org/org/industry-workgroups/industry_wg_process.php
>>
>> Am 16.04.2010 um 16:10 schrieb Scott Lewis:
>>
>>> Hi Zsolt,
>>>
>>> Yeah I think it is nitpicking Zsolt. Is not the working group open to
>>> organizations as well as individuals? Can organizations participate in
>>> an open organization? Then why cannot Composent be considered a
>>> participant?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Zsolt Beothy-Elo wrote:
>>>> Scott,
>>>> perhaps it seems to be a bit nitpicking, but Composent, Inc. is not
>>>> a member of the IWG, but you as an individial commiter. Therefore I
>>>> would disapprove off adding dismiss to add Composent, Inc..
>>>>
>>>> Zsolt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.04.2010 um 23:05 schrieb Scott Lewis:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ian,
>>>>>
>>>>> In existing draft, it says this as a bullet item:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> REST and SOAP support for remote services, based on the OSGi 4.2
>>>>> remote services specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that this be broken into two bullet items:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Support for the OSGi 4.2 remote services specification
>>>>> 2) REST and SOAP support for OSGi remote services
>>>>>
>>>>> Before the ECF contribution, the SOA package did not have support for
>>>>> the OSGi 4.2 remote services specification, and that is major
>>>>> technology/interoperability addition by itself. The REST and SOAP
>>>>> support for remote services extends things significantly...in the
>>>>> direction of REST-based and SOAP-based remote services. I think it
>>>>> would be better not to conflate these two things (i.e. standards-based
>>>>> support remote services in general, and specific implementation
>>>>> styles/approaches for remote services).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also...you can add Composent, Inc. to the list of participating
>>>>> companies. If you want a quote from me then I can provide one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian Skerrett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback. Attached is a draft version of a proposed
>>>>>> release. Please let me know your comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to get quotes from each participating company. I did a
>>>>>> sample quote for Engineering based on some of their input and
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> happy to work with the other participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc, I did not include your suggestions since you weren't sure if it
>>>>>> was okay to talk about them. If people think it makes sense I can
>>>>>> add
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The goal is to announce this next week at the SOA Day in Germany.
>>>>>> This really doesn't give much time. Will it be possible to get
>>>>>> quotes and feedback before the end of this week?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/14/2010 2:55 AM, majori wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>>>> I just wanted to just wanted to add to the mail of Marc that
>>>>>>> Engineering
>>>>>>> Group participates also with two new project (accepted)
>>>>>>> -eBAM (extended Business Activity Monitoring) project that aims
>>>>>>> to realize a
>>>>>>> monitoring platform supporting the performance and management
>>>>>>> analysis of
>>>>>>> external systems. The goal of eBAM is to provide both build-time
>>>>>>> and runtime
>>>>>>> tools for a BAM platform. eBAM start from SpagoBI know how, The only
>>>>>>> entirely Open Source Business Intelligence suite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -eBPM, (extended Business Process Management) based on
>>>>>>> contribution of the
>>>>>>> OW2 project Spagic (free/open source platform for the governance of
>>>>>>> middleware services and the development of SOA applications).
>>>>>>> eBPM aims at
>>>>>>> the realization of a complete BPM solution for OSGi. The project
>>>>>>> will also
>>>>>>> provide UI and runtime support, to be able to deploy and manage OSGi
>>>>>>> services, in a declarative way, leveraging the capabilities of OSGi
>>>>>>> declarative services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With SpagoBI and Spagic, Enginnering group has develop many
>>>>>>> project in
>>>>>>> different areas: government, finance, industry, healthcare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>>>>>>> Da: soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> [mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Per
>>>>>>> conto di Marc Dutoo
>>>>>>> Inviato: martedì 13 aprile 2010 18.03
>>>>>>> A: SOA Industry Working Group
>>>>>>> Oggetto: Re: [soa-iwg] IWG media launch on April 22
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As fare as I know (though I'm not a member of the IWG) :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About JWT :
>>>>>>> * Open Wide has a JWT reference (integrated in the OW2 Scarbo
>>>>>>> SCA BPM
>>>>>>> platform) in production since February, but maybe our client will
>>>>>>> find it a
>>>>>>> bit too early to talk about it
>>>>>>> * among mailing list participants, Mastek Ltd has built a
>>>>>>> product on top
>>>>>>> of JWT, I can ask them about it (I planned to anyway)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Engineering has an STP IM reference, as said in the Mangrove
>>>>>>> article (Kudos
>>>>>>> to Adrian BTW).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about Obeo and the SCA Editor ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going further, it would be a good idea to gather all these
>>>>>>> references in a
>>>>>>> dedicated part of the website(s). What do you think ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian Skerrett a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zsolt,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for posting these. I think these are a good start, see
>>>>>>>> comments below, but I think we need to have some technology
>>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>>> features. What is new/exciting/different that will result from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> IWG? Why is the IWG different from other SOA solutions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2010 9:50 AM, Zsolt Beothy-Elo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are SOPERAS findings of the of the top 5 new/exciting things
>>>>>>>>> that will be accomplished by the IWG:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The foundation of the new IWG shows the strong interest of the
>>>>>>>>> industry in the further server-side development of Eclipse
>>>>>>>>> technologies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The foundation of the IWG is also a strong signal that SOA
>>>>>>>>> technologies and projects within Eclipse have reached a good
>>>>>>>>> level of maturity. Because of this, the industry now is
>>>>>>>>> interested in using Eclipse technologies in own products
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we have examples of companies using the IWG technology for their
>>>>>>>> products. I am assuming Sopera has a product available, can we
>>>>>>>> reference it. Are there other companies/products?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Through the foundation of the Eclipse SOA IWG, the goal of the
>>>>>>>>> creation of a fully functional, common SOA platform on the
>>>>>>>>> basis of Eclipse will be reached much faster
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The interoperability between the platforms of the IWG members
>>>>>>>>> will be further strengthened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you explain this more or give examples of interoperability?
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ian Skerrett
>>>>>> Director of Marketing
>>>>>> Eclipse Foundation
>>>>>> Tel: 613-224-9461 ext 227
>>>>>> Blog: ianskerrett.wordpress.com <http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com>
>>>>>> <http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/>
>>>>>> Twitter: IanSkerrett <http://twitter.com/IanSkerrett>
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