| Re: [soa-iwg] Roadmap v0.5 |
Hi Mike,
For the record, I see this as an obvious case of a technically relevant
and community-focused thing (including Distributed OSGi/RFC119 in SOA)
as being effectively ignored/defeated because of working group
management/control/decision/participation structure.
FWIW, no matter what the EF working group participation rules, that
doesn't seem to me like a good structure for
a) getting cooperation/contribution/diversity in the working group itself
b) meeting SOA consumer community needs
At this point I will shut up and take my personal effort and my
project's contributions elsewhere.
Scott
Mike Milinkovich wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I have already explained that industry working groups are led by the member
> companies which are participating in them. EclipseSource is not one of the
> companies participating in the SOA IWG.
>
> Jochen is the official delegate of EclipseSource to the Eclipse Foundation.
> If he wishes to have EclipseSource formally join the SOA IWG, he is the
> person who can do so.
>
> Mike Milinkovich
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>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Lewis
>> Sent: September-04-09 10:16 AM
>> To: SOA Industry Working Group
>> Subject: Re: [soa-iwg] Roadmap v0.5
>>
>>
>> Ok...so here's the situation as I understand it. In previous dialog,
>> I've brought up the relevance of OSGi 4.2's RFC119 (Distributed OSGi) to
>> SOA. The people on this list don't seem to actually dispute that
>> relevance (since OSGi 4.2 is quite relevant to the Runtime project in
>> general), but the existing roadmap makes no mention of Distributed OSGi,
>> RFC119, or even plain ol' OSGi.
>>
>> I've proposed (repeatedly) that the soa-iwg roadmap be enhanced to
>> include RFC119 impl in the SOA package (runtime, not tools). Again,
>> people don't seem to be overtly opposing that, because...it seems to
>> me...the relevance of Distributed OSGi to SOA in the Runtime project is
>> undisputed.
>>
>> In previous post to this list:
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-iwg/msg00047.html, Zsolt
>> suggested that I 'contribute' by suggesting changes to the roadmap, and
>> then in my previous post on this thread I did so by suggesting that some
>> mention of Distributed OSGi/RFC119 be included. Implicit in that
>> suggestion is the contribution to the working group package of a
>> working, reviewed, released, complete, compliant, implementation of the
>> RFC119 draft specification from ECF. For comments from the actual user
>> community on this implementation see references given on this post
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-iwg/msg00051.html.
>>
>> Ricco now vetos any such change to the Roadmap, and suggests that only
>> working group members maintain the roadmap document. This would make it
>> effectively impossible for any changes not from the hand of whoever
>> wrote the document (I'm not sure who it is, actually), to effect any
>> introduction of inclusion of RFC119 work into the Roadmap...as so far my
>> protestations about the relevance of RFC119 to the SOA working group
>> have been ignored, while not disputed. Further, membership in the
>> steering committee (the authors of the roadmap I suppose) is apparently
>> limited to those that apparently don't wish to include RFC119 work in
>> the SOA working groups and package, and by Board policy cannot be
>> otherwise (i.e. http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soa-
>> iwg/msg00012.html).
>>
>> So it seems to me that
>>
>> 1) The relevance of RFC119 work to the SOA working group (runtime, not
>> tools) is undisputed
>> 2) There is no means that I can see to effect change to the roadmap to
>> include work on RFC119, as suggestions of relevant additions are so far
>> being ignored by the roadmap authors, and with Ricco's note offers of
>> direct changes are apparently being rejected
>>
>> This doesn't seem right to me...but maybe someone can explain how it is
>> right.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> . Ricco Deutscher wrote:
>>
>>> -1
>>>
>>> This roadmap document should contain what the group plans to do, not
>>> what the group not plans to do.
>>> Moreover I suggest that the document will maintained by the members
>>>
> only.
>
>>> Ricco
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 04.09.09 02:51 schrieb "Scott Lewis" unter
>>>
> <slewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>>> Hi Zsolt,
>>>
>>> A search through this 0.5 version shows 0 references to 'RFC119'
>>> or even
>>> 'OSGi'.
>>>
>>> If I add these to this ppt, will you accept it?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Zsolt Beothy-Elo wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Please find attached version 0.5 of the roadmap. Following are the
>>> > changes in the current version
>>> >
>>> > - Change Obeo Member Distro for both Milestones
>>> >
>>> > - Added involvement of Obeo for Repository feature
>>> >
>>> > - Remove Progress from the slides
>>> >
>>> > As nobody volunteered for the tool features for Milestone 2 we
>>>
>> should
>>
>>> > either completely remove them from the feature list (and removing
>>> > slide 7) or replace them by more appropriate features that someone
>>>
>> is
>>
>>> > willing to implement. I kindly ask you for feedback about about
>>>
>> this
>>
>>> > topic.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Zsolt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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