Completely agree and wider adoption of topics/code in and out of SDV WG I think is a good thing.
One of the critical (and controversial) areas of SDV in general is around toolchains. The Rust SIG could potentially help support and clarify this topic as part of its efforts. I’m not suggesting Rust “IS”
the toolchain but would be part of the larger toolchain definition.
-Brent
From:
Florian Gilcher <florian.gilcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 7:01 AM
To: Erickson, Brent <Brent.Erickson@xxxxxxxxxx>, Software Defined Vehicle Working Group <sdv-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Proposal to form a Rust SiG within Eclipse SDV
[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
Hi Brent,
Thanks for the observation. Rereading your statement and what I wrote, I think there’s a potential issue here:
* Exchange experience and discuss opportunities and challenges around the adoption of Rust in the automotive and other safety-critical industries
I’ll mark this for needing rephrasing and more detail.
I agree with the automotive focus and it should be front and center.
However, I see one of Open Source strengths as being a low barrier place of practice exchange. To an extent, this also shows in Eclipse and Eclipse SDV. Eclipse ThreadX has certifications beyond ISO 26262,
so there’s already a project in SDV that does more than automotive. On the Eclipse side, DLR is a huge member that does predominantly avionics safety, but also automotive safety and probably has quite some things to bring.
Rust is very early, so we have a chance to at least lessen those silos a little, without losing stated focus above.
-Florian
Managing Director
AG Charlottenburg, HRB 200196
Geschäftsführung: Felix Gilcher, Florian Gilcher
From: Erickson, Brent <Brent.Erickson@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:40
To: Software Defined Vehicle Working Group <sdv-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Florian Gilcher <florian.gilcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Proposal to form a Rust SiG within Eclipse SDV
I (Harman) would support a SIG on Rust as it is one of the languages we are looking at utilizing in our efforts. I think it is important to limit the scope of the SIG to SDV topics and how to use/support Rust
in automotive since by definition; “SIGs help bring like-minded working group members together to explore common interests within the scope of the working group.”
I don’t think we need another SIG promoting Rust in general (as pointed out by Sabastian as well). So, as long as the SIG is focused, I would find it both interesting and useful.
-Brent
[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
Hello Eclipse SDV!
I’d like to file a proposal for the creation of a Rust SiG within the Eclipse Foundation, within the Eclipse SDV group. With an initial focus on Eclipse SDV, I propose the group to be open to everyone with Rust needs, we don't see use in further compartmentalization
within Eclipse around the topic of Rust.
This is the first time I'm filing such a group, I'm happy about comments and questions!
# Rationale
Over recent years Rust has established itself as a language for mission-critical applications in cloud and system programming. A mature ecosystem has evolved providing open source libraries and tools supported by an active community. The wider adoption of Rust
in the automotive industry has begun. Within Eclipse SDV we see the first projects being written in Rust, e.g. SommR, a SOME/IP implementation, or Ankaios, a workload manager for edge- and automotive systems.
The Eclipse SDV working group is fostering open source and technical innovation for the transition into the era of software-defined vehicles. We believe that a Special Interest Group for Rust will support its adoption and further strengthen the collaboration
between automotive companies, cloud providers and the Rust community. Rust has the potential to become a foundational enabler for safety-certifiable open source software, the SiG aims to be in the center of that evolution.
The group should focus on work output first and foremost and be rooted in the practical projects Eclipse SDV implements.
# Scope
Initial focus areas of the Rust Special Interest Group are:
* Exchange experience and discuss opportunities and challenges around the adoption of Rust in the automotive and other safety-critical industries
* Create and publish documents for practical guidance
* Advise and promote Rust-based SDV projects
* Promotion and potential future creation of open source tooling
* Collaboration with the Rust Foundation on the topic of safety Rust
* Recommendations for changes for the upstream Rust project
# Initial interested participants
A number of people have already shown interest in such a group, among them:
Florian Gilcher/ Ferrous Systems
Pietro Albini/ Ferrous Systems
Daniel Krippner/ ETAS
Michael Fait/ Thoughtworks
Andrew Banks/ LDRA/ MISRA
Wanja Zaeske/ DLR
Thomas Fleischmann/ CARIAD
Florian Bartels/ Elektrobit
Daniel Silverstone/ Codethink
Not all of them are Eclipse members (yet), but all are around the Eclipse SDV space.
Greetings from Berlin,
Florian
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