Re: [rt-pmc] co-lead position rt-pmc

[Jesse McConnell <jesse.mcconnell@xxxxxxxxx>]

well, since we have no current direction or defined future for RT that
should be pretty easy :)

hopefully that issue will be put to bed once and for all at the
eclipse con panel!

jesse

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Glyn Normington
<gnormington@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Isn't it also part of the co-lead job to stand up at EclipseCon and attempt
> to answer horrendous questions about the current directions and future of
> RT? I guess I can say "I have no idea" as well as the next person, but I'd
> rather not volunteer for that in the first place.
>
> But, seriously, if all that is required is to stand in for Tom when he can't
> make RT PMC calls and continue to make not completely incoherent noises
> about release trains etc., then I could be persuaded. (The beer has nothing
> to do with my position, although I'm not saying no to that.)
>
> Regards,
> Glyn
>
> On 21 Nov 2012, at 14:54, Campo, Christian wrote:
>
> I think Glyn is already a very active person in rt-pmc. He initiated and
> contributes to many of the current topics. Glyn is in most telcos. It would
> only be a very small step for him to be co-lead. Maybe a little more than
> just getting access to the moderator code of the telcos but not much more.
> :-) Ok and then if Tom is not in the telco you have to do the minutes.
> (happened to me ONCE in over a year)
>
> Making you, Glyn co-lead is in my view more an acknowledgement of the work
> you are already doing. I know you take these kind of committments very
> seriously but this not a committment until the end of time. Having two
> people leading a group has the advantage that "life" continues even if only
> one lead is present in a call or in a meeting.
>
> And I can buy you a beer on ECE2013 if that makes a difference :-)
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: rt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
> Auftrag von Jesse McConnell
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. November 2012 13:26
> An: Runtime Project PMC mailing list
> Betreff: Re: [rt-pmc] co-lead position rt-pmc
>
> I agree Glyn would be excellent
>
> I know he has just turned down the nomination however I would also +1 him
> and perhaps you (Christian) can detail out more of the role of what co-lead
> does such that we could lull him into the role.
>
> cheers,
> jesse
>
> --
> jesse mcconnell
> jesse.mcconnell@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Glyn Normington <gnormington@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Christian
>
>
> I think one of your strengths in being a co-lead is that you do
>
> understand the IDE side of things as well as being deeply involved in
>
> RT. You also know Riena, which probably puts you in a minority in the
>
> RT PMC! However, I know what it feels like when the topics constantly
>
> under discussion are not personally very relevant, so I understand you
> wanting to stand down.
>
>
> I'm pleased that some people, including yourself, think I would make a
>
> good co-lead. I admit to being interested in the current topics of
>
> discussion from a Virgo perspective. However, that doesn't mean I
>
> therefore have sufficient time to take on a co-lead role. I'm spread
>
> pretty thin at the moment trying to keep Gemini Blueprint going and
>
> working the rest of the time on Virgo, so I'm afraid I'll need to
>
> pass. I will however provide all the back-up I can to Tom, especially
>
> on the current topics. I just don't have the time to gen up on the
>
> various RT projects in order to take on tasks like speaking
>
> authoritatively on behalf of Eclipse RT at conferences. Maybe we all feel
> that way?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Glyn
>
>
> On 21 Nov 2012, at 08:27, Campo, Christian wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I have been think about this for a while. The rt-pmc members voted for
>
> me as a co-lead for the RT-PMC last year. I really appreciated the
>
> trust that you guys put in me.
>
>
> However I currently have the feeling that a lot of rt-pmc topics sort
>
> of pass by me. There are pain points for RT projects like Maven,
>
> Release Train or LTS that I currently dont feel so much myself. I feel
>
> that am unable to be a lot of help and I am proposing that someone
>
> other who is more affected and concerned about the current pain points takes
> over from here.
>
> I think Tom is doing a wonderful job leading us but I feel very unable
>
> and unefficient in backing him up. So that makes me think that someone
>
> like Glyn would serve us much better as co-lead (if he likes to do
>
> that)
>
>
> Pain Points that I have are more along the lines of how can we move
>
> Riena to e4. We just finished that and Riena will rejoin the Kepler
>
> composite repo for M4.
>
>
> Its not that I am pulling back ressources from Eclipse at all. I still
>
> like to be in the rt-pmc and I am also program chair for ECE 2013
>
> which will be again a lot of work.
>
>
> My observation is just that I am currently not a good co-lead for the
>
> rt-pmc.
>
>
> Who likes to do it instead ?
>
>
> Christian Campo
>
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