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Re: [ptp-dev] RDT/PTP needs to include PTP RDT Remote Tools Support feature

Yeah, that is the only way this is going to work.

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Chris Recoskie
Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT
IBM Toronto

Inactive hide details for Vivian Kong---09/17/2010 09:21:56 AM---+1 for having three features: PTP only, RDT only, and PTP + RDVivian Kong---09/17/2010 09:21:56 AM---+1 for having three features: PTP only, RDT only, and PTP + RDT That way we can keep RDT isolated if


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Re: [ptp-dev] RDT/PTP needs to include PTP RDT Remote Tools Support feature

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+1 for having three features: PTP only, RDT only, and PTP + RDT

That way we can keep RDT isolated if we want to...for packaging purposes.

Regards,

Vivian Kong
IBM Eclipse CDT
IBM Canada Toronto Lab

Inactive hide details for Greg Watson ---09/17/2010 09:09:25 AM---In that case I think we need to rethink how PTP and RDT are pGreg Watson ---09/17/2010 09:09:25 AM---In that case I think we need to rethink how PTP and RDT are packaged. For users installing PTP + RDT

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09/17/2010 09:09 AM

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Re: [ptp-dev] RDT/PTP needs to include PTP RDT Remote Tools Support feature

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In that case I think we need to rethink how PTP and RDT are packaged. For users installing PTP + RDT, the Remote Tools indexing support is not optional so must be included as part of the install, otherwise RDT is broken. However, RSE *is* optional for PTP, so this feature can't be included in the PTP End User Runtime as RDT (and consequently the Remote Tools indexing feature) has an RSE dependency. Just naming it differently doesn't address the core issue that the feature is actually mandatory for PTP + RDT, and as user experience is our first priority, having RDT break because the user overlooks a feature is not an option in my view.

Maybe the way to do this would be to have three features: PTP only, RDT only, and PTP + RDT? Unfortunately we no longer have time to make changes as SR1 is now frozen. This will have to be targeted for SR2 or PTP 5.0.

Greg

On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Chris Recoskie wrote:
          I would rather not, as we reship RDT in our IBM products and do not wish to ship the Remote Tools indexing provider with it. We modify the server, so having users try to connect to the one bundled with the Remote Tools provider would make for a very broken experience in our case, as it would be lacking all of our customizations.

          I would suggest finding a way of making the PTP RDT Remote Tools Support easier to find, or make it so that it's named in such a way that users are more likely to know they need it. If you were to call it "PTP RDT SSH-based server support" or somesuch, that might help.

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          Chris Recoskie
          Team Lead, IBM CDT and RDT
          IBM Toronto

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          When you install PTP end-user runtime, and RDT, why should you have to install another obscure
          component in order to get Remote Tools to work?
          It's too confusing to users.

          But yet if you don't install the PTP RDT Remote Tools Support, the RDT remote indexing
          server doesn't get started, and nothing tells you that anything is missing.

          I have been testing installs all week getting ready for helios sr1 and for our PTP tutorial at SC10,
          and it just doesn't make sense that the user should have to know that.

          https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=325536 
          Product/Component: PTP / RDT

          Can we please make it a default inclusion in  RDT?
          It doesn't look like it adds any additional dependencies to RDT.


          ...Beth

          Beth Tibbitts
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