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Re: [modeling-pmc] Status of EMF Diagram tools 
Hello Miles,

The relation between EcoreTools and MDT-Papyrus is very simple : none
but GMF.
These are two separate tools based on the same GMF technology.
MDT-Papyrus currently has no editor for Ecore models. MDT-Papyrus
currently focuses more on UML and SysML diagrams. Moreover, I doubt they
(we) will develop one soon, since we have other mature tools for editing
Ecore models.

If you want to be sure to cover almost all the existing editors, you
will have to support EMF, GEF, and GMF editors (GMF is based on GEF
which is based on EMF).
Yet, for the moment, here are the editors I know or I have used so far
to edit Ecore models :
- EcoreTools (GMF-based editor)
   This should be the favorite editor for end-users.
- GMF example editor for EcoreTools (GMF-based naturally)
   It may be used by some people who do not know EcoreTools, but
- EMF tree-based editors :
     - Sample Ecore Model Editor,
     - Sample reflective Ecore Model Editor,
     - Acceleo Reflective Editor ...

EcoreTools used to be a GEF editor generated with TOPCASED, but it has
been completely refactored to be based on GMF. Hence, all is left now
for editing Ecore models (as far as I know) are GMF and EMF-based editors.

Of course, you can try and support EMF editors and GEF editors, but I
doubt they will be used by end users. I personally use EMF tree-based
editors when I want to have direct access to the file content, for
developement purpose, like I use a text editor.
So, most probably, supporting all GMF editors will be sufficient as far
as Ecore is concerned.

If you want to have a look on an example, I have already worked on a
tool now supporting GEF editors (TOPCASED editors), MDT-Papyrus GMF
editors and EcoreTools editors. This tools is used for requirement
traceability and relies on drag and drop on diagram elements. It is
named TOPCASED-Requirements.
The tool is open-source, so you can inspire on it if you just need
samples. It has a "core" feature, depending on none of the above
editors, and specialized features enabling it for each of the mentioned
editors. You will find information about were to find the sources on
http://gforge.enseeiht.fr/scm/?group_id=112

If you need extra information on it, you can still contact me directly.

Vincent.

Le 14/07/2011 20:26, Miles Parker a écrit :
>
> Yes, of course! :) I think what I'm wondering is -- sorry for my
> ignorance -- how are those tools related to the Papyrus EMF tools? I see
> from the project page that there is overlap between them. (And then how
> is that related to the UML2, SysML and other "M2" kind of modeling
> projects?) Are these all GMF based or is the Ecore tool more pure GEF
> like the other EcoreTools editors? And are there any other toolsets out
> there or planned that I might be missing? Basically, I'm looking for the
> best lever point that will serve the needs of the most toolsets and if I
> can find a good common denominator for presentation / view level stuff
> that would be great.I think that's going to need to be a little higher
> level than GEF, but I'd like to avoid deep dependencies on GMF Tooling
> and GMF Runtime if possible, just so that the basic approach will work
> easily with Graphiti and other GEF based tools while still working well
> with existing GMF-based tools. Ideally, the Mylyn tools would plug-in
> without having to specialize the target editors at all. Second best
> would be to provide a really simple extension model for Mylyn-aware editors.
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera wrote:
>
>> Miles,
>>
>> I guess you have tried the Ecore Tools to edit ecore models by the
>> means of a diagram-based editor, haven`t you ?
>>
>> It's included in the Eclipse Releases repository, inside the
>> "Modeling" category ( Modeling -> Ecore Tools SDK).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adolfo.
>>
>> El 13/07/2011 21:29, Miles Parker escribió:
>>> I'm trying to get a sense for what diagram tools are most used for generic Ecore editing.. I'm one of those luddites who find the Ecore"example"  tree editor perfectly usable :) but as we're trying to support the largest community we can with the current Mylyn EMF bridge effort, and I'd like to understand where things are in terms of what is state of the art, what is being supported and pushed forward, etc.. and what if any efforts have been merged, split, etc..  It's of course quite possible that we'll be able to support many or all of the tools, but we want to have a solution that benefits the maximum # of users possible. I'm really only interested in tools used to *edit* Ecore models themselves at this point, though feedback on more generic aspects would be useful as well. In particular is there one underlying technology that should be supported? I realize that these sorts of questions can make people uncomfortable -- none of us like to say"my tool is better than x"
-- s
>>> o
>>>    info like"I use x and it works well for.."  would be helpful. And while I think Eclipse related discussions should be public as a rule, if you want to share any project information that it wouldn't be helpful to discuss on a public mailing list feel free to email me directly.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Miles
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