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I just register in the newgroups. My previous emails get refused.
yves
-----Original Message-----
From: emft-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:emft-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yves YANG
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:19 PM
To: mtaal@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'EMFT Developer Mailing List'; 'PMC members mailing list'
Subject: RE: [modeling-pmc] Re: [emft-dev] Proposal for Texo Component
Hi Martin,
Does it mean that Texo could be an extension of PMF for JSF? If so, whould
we setup PMF project first in order that both team works closely?
yves
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Taal [mailto:mtaal@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:11 PM
To: Yves YANG
Cc: 'EMFT Developer Mailing List'; 'PMC members mailing list'
Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Re: [emft-dev] Proposal for Texo Component
Hi Yves,
I think this is more a terminology thing, with Ui-model I mean what you
are refering to so definition of master/detail, selection dialog, page
flows etc. and not the technical ui implementation. So afaics we mean
the same thing.
gr. Martin
Yves YANG wrote:
> I don't know which the presentation modeling framework you are talking
> about. I have prepared a project named as PMF (presentation modeling
> framework). But it is NOT an UI-model like XUL, XAML. It is an abstract
> modeling framework that implements the presentation patterns like data
> binding, page flows, Master/Detail etc. Each technology like JSF, SWT, GWT
> then can implement its generator. Please find the draft in the attached
> file.
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emft-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:emft-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Martin Taal
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:54 PM
> To: PMC members mailing list
> Cc: EMFT Developer Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Re: [emft-dev] Proposal for Texo Component
>
> Hi Christian,
> Depends on how you look at it. On the one hand the artifacts generated
> are editable using wtp (for example jsp editor, dali project). On the
> other hand the Texo project does not need to make use of any component
> currently present in wtp while it uses (and tightly integrates with)
> emf, mwe, jmerge, teneo and xpand. Also the ideas for a ui-model (the
> presentation modeling framework) will be used by Texo. In addition it is
> the idea to make it possible to extend the solution with custom
> templates/workflows. So as there is a definite and large modeling side
> to it I would say that it belongs to modeling.
>
> gr. Martin
>
> Christian Damus wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can one also make an argument for locating this component in the Web
Tools
>> Platform project? It seems to me that Texo is more of a model-driven web
>> application development tool (and WTP is all about developing web apps)
>> than it is a framework for building modeling tools or even a big-M
>>
> modeling
>
>> app.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian W. Damus
>> Component Lead, Eclipse OCL and EMF MQ/MT/VF
>> IBM Rational Software
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>> From: Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>
>
>
>
>
>> To: PMC members mailing list <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>
>
>
>
>> Cc: modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx, EMFT Developer Mailing
>>
> List <emft-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, PMC members mailing list
>
>> <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: 04/16/2008 09:04 AM
>>
>
>
>
>
>> Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Re: [emft-dev] Proposal for Texo
>>
> Component
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sven,
>>
>> Once-only code generators really do suck, so you have to wonder at their
>> preponderance given how relatively trivial it was to build Java merge
>> support. The original design and implementation of JMerge took roughly a
>> week of effort, as a I recall. EMP is definitely a great basis for
>> building DSLs with the added benefit that they all have a common
>>
> underlying
>
>> meta model to ensure that we don't end up with just a Tower of Babel. In
>> addition, we aren't suffering from the misguided belief that XML syntax
is
>> the be-all-and-end-all of human readable notations.
>>
>> In our quest toward a grand vision, I think it's best to start small and
>>
> to
>
>> build the little pieces bottom rather than carve out a grand high level
>> space top down. We also have to consider our project's charter and be
>> sensitive to the concerns that the scope of the modeling project could
>>
> just
>
>> creep out to consume all other projects. Many DSLs would most logically
>> live in other projects and we'd be best off to ensure that things evolve
>>
> in
>
>> that direction when it makes the most sense. So for the time being, I'd
>> rather avoid creating more direct child projects under the modeling
>> project. Having a small number of projects to group the large number of
>> components seems appropriate...
>>
>>
>> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>> 905-413-3265 (t/l 313)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sven Efftinge
>> <sven@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
To
>> Sent by: EMFT Developer Mailing List
>> modeling-pmc-boun <emft-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, PMC
members
>> ces@xxxxxxxxxxx mailing list
>> <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
cc
>> 04/16/2008 07:12
>> AM
Subject
>> [modeling-pmc] Re: [emft-dev]
>> Proposal for Texo Component
>> Please respond to
>> PMC members
>> mailing list
>> <modeling-pmc@ecl
>> ipse.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this sounds very cool. We all know that there are many general
>> frameworks (web, RCP, SOA, etc,) out there which would profit from
>> generators.
>> Some of them (Ruby on Rails, Grails, SEAM just to name a few) already
>> use code generation a lot.
>> Unfortunately they use wizard-style passive code generation, where you
>> generate once and further change the generated code manually.
>> So most of the time generators are just used to get users up and
>> running as fast as possible.
>> Also they come up with concise languages to descibe domain models
>> (internal DSLs).
>> Those languages are not statically typed, have to fit into the host's
>> syntax and have no tool support at all (EMP can do better).
>> IMHO there should be some more projects like Texo, which show how EMP
>> can be used.
>>
>> As EMFT is for EMF technology I find that those projects don't fit
>> well there. We should create a new Project for such domain-specific
>> applications of EMP.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> atb,
>> Sven
>>
>> btw: +1
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2008, at 12:34 , Ed Merks wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Extended EMF Community,
>>>
>>> Martin Taal, the lead for the Teneo component, recently announced his
>>> intent to work on the Texo component which will focus on exploiting
>>> modeling technology for building web applications.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Texo
>>>
>>> I request the community's approval to create this new component as
>>> part of
>>> the EMFT subproject with Martin Taal as the component lead. Please
>>> reply
>>> with +1 or -1 on this thread. Obviously I recommend you give a +1,
>>> given
>>> Martin's outstanding track record with Teneo and his exemplary
>>> support for
>>> it. All EMF and EMFT committers are eligible to vote, so please
>>> take a
>>> moment to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> 905-413-3265 (t/l 313)
>>>
>>>
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