Re: RE : RE : [mdt-papyrus.dev] Minutes of the meeting 2009 09 15

[Kenn Hussey <kenn.hussey@xxxxxxxxx>]

Raphaël,

Thanks, your suggestion sounds great to me - please let me know if I can help in any way.

Cheers,

Kenn

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Raphaël Faudou <raphael.faudou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi guys,

Sure that we have plenty of work to do but if we care about the development plan in next february, it will be too late to join Helios train and we will have to wait for july 2011 to see papyrus delivered with the others components of the Eclipse modelling stack. Sad...
I think that we do not really have the choice to wait if we want to join the current train: we will have to support both process and code (and quality)

However I agree that we need to be very agile and not spend too much time on planning. My suggestion is to focus on the backlog : build a product backlog to give an overview for the community, and plan the items of next M2 and M3 sprints, by selecting the Mylin tasks that we find the most important for end users. It should not consume too much time.
Emilien has experience with Scrum and I asked him to suggest a first draft of product backlog and sprint backlog for the end of the week.
As soon as he will have initiated it, we can have a conf call and choose the item according to our production capacity.

Is it ok for you?
Cheers
raphaël

 Date du message : sept. 15 2009, 08:15 PM
 De : "GERARD Sebastien 166342" <Sebastien.GERARD@xxxxxx>
 A : "Papyrus Project list" <mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Papyrus Project list" <mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 Copie :
 Sujet : RE : RE : [mdt-papyrus.dev] Minutes of the meeting 2009 09 15

 Hi Kenn,

 I do agree with you, but I do think also that it is a little but pre mature for Papyrus. According to me, it is only in January 2010 that Papyrus will start to be really usable and ready to be exposed to public.
 But ok, we will try to spent some times on the plan.


 Cheers... Sébastien.


 -------- Message d'origine--------
 De: mdt-papyrus.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx de la part de Kenn Hussey
 Date: mar. 15/09/2009 19:25
 À: Papyrus Project list
 Objet : Re: RE : [mdt-papyrus.dev] Minutes of the meeting 2009 09 15

 Sébastien,
 I'm not discounting the importance of writing code, but the development plan
 is an important (and required) part of what makes a successful Eclipse
 release. It helps engage a projects' communities (developers, consumers, and
 users) and holds committers accountable for what they will deliver and when.
 So, I think both are important. ;)

 Please let me know how I can help.

 Cheers,

 Kenn

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM, GERARD Sebastien 166342 <
 Sebastien.GERARD@xxxxxx> wrote:

 > Just one comment: to make the project is more important to have people
 > commiting code, than spenting to much time in planning.
 >
 > Sébastien.
 >
 >
 > -------- Message d'origine--------
 > De: mdt-papyrus.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx de la part de Kenn Hussey
 > Date: mar. 15/09/2009 17:25
 > À: thibault.landre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Papyrus Project list
 > Objet : Re: [mdt-papyrus.dev] Minutes of the meeting 2009 09 15
 >
 > Thibault,
 > Thanks for this. Given that the deadline for Helios project plans is the
 > end
 > of September (i.e., in just two weeks), I'm concerned that we're focused on
 > planning only M2 and that the next meeting isn't until September 28. I
 > would
 > suggest a more active approach to planning over the next couple of weeks.
 >
 > If we're serious about the possibility of using an agile approach (like
 > Scrum), I think we need to be more aggressive about identifying all of the
 > features that we want to target for Helios, earmarking them for appropriate
 > milestones (and dates - note that the deadline for Helios M2 is September
 > 30
 > rather than October 23), and planning to meet regularly (e.g., every two
 > weeks) to review and adjust the plan accordingly.
 >
 > I'm sorry for being so insistent on this, but I think we all want this
 > project to be successful. I have some available time over the next couple
 > of
 > weeks and would be willing/able to help in any way I can...
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Kenn
 >
 > 2009/9/15 Thibault LANDRE <thibault.landre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 >
 > > Hi,
 > >
 > > here is the minutes of yesterday's meeting.
 > >
 > > Regards,
 > >
 > > Thibault
 > >
 > > _______________________________________________
 > > mdt-papyrus.dev mailing list
 > > mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-papyrus.dev
 > >
 > >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > mdt-papyrus.dev mailing list
 > mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-papyrus.dev
 >

 _______________________________________________
 mdt-papyrus.dev mailing list
 mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
 https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-papyrus.dev




_______________________________________________
mdt-papyrus.dev mailing list
mdt-papyrus.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-papyrus.dev