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Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Jakarta NoSQL and Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration
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As I'm reading this I'm trying to understand why there'd need to be a Jakarta Config spec in order for individual Jakarta specs like NoSQL, etc. to use MicroProfile Config.
Is this fundamentally different from the individual Jakarta specs evolving to use new Java language features (a process not controlled by Jakarta).
If it gets to the point that there are a set of special cases for Jakarta applications then maybe that would be a good time to launch a Jakarta Config spec, but for now couldn't individual specs just start using MP Config and see where it goes?
That said.. I think it's smart to discuss first and get a consensus this isn't a completely wrong direction to head down..
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Mark Little ---09/19/2019 10:16:21 AM---+1 > On 18 Sep 2019, at 20:35, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On 18 Sep 2019, at 20:35, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree that the Jakarta EE Platform should adopt MicroProfile Config as a standard spec. However, I do not feel that there should be any need for renaming or changing the MicroProfile Config project. MicroProfile should still be able to continue evolving separately.
Is it possible for Jakarta EE to adopt MicroProfile Config as the reference implementation for a "Jakarta EE Config" spec? In my mind, this would be much like Weld is the reference implementation for CDI, although namespaces are different between the two.
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On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My preference is to go through a lightweight boarding process. I am against the idea of renaming packages.
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Emily
On Sep 18, 2019 at 2:50 pm, <Kevin Sutter> wrote:
Correct. Do not assume that just because we have to change javax to "jakarta" that it applies to all projects that might someday be associated with Jakarta EE. The javax rename is a special case due to Oracle requirements. As Dmitry points out this whole area needs further discussion.
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From: "dmitry.kornilov" <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 09/18/2019 12:31 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Jakarta NoSQL and Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration
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It doesn't mean it. Where is an option to keep microprofile.io namespace. We need to discuss it.
- Dmitry
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От: Otavio Santana <otaviopolianasantana@xxxxxxxxx>
Дата: 18.09.2019 10:56 (GMT-08:00)
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Тема: Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Jakarta NoSQL and Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration
If move Eclipse MicroProfile into Jakarta EE process means a new package name such as jakarta.config.
I don't think that is a good idea, because several people use Eclipse MicroProfile in production. So, we are going to have two projects to the same thing (one as MicroProfile and a second one as Jakarta), and sometimes it might mean copy/paste from/to projects. Therefore, smell code on both projects.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:36 AM Dmitry Kornilov <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Emily,
I have a better idea. Let's make MP Config the first spec which follows Jakarta EE spec process. It will make it a full Jakarta EE citizen and open doors to other specs to use it. :)
Thanks,
Dmitry
On 18 Sep 2019, at 05:38, Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Otavio,
As promised via our chat, I would share my view here.
I totally agree that Configuration is very important for developing cloud-native microservices. It is a best practice in 12-Factor App to make microservice configurable. MicroProfile Config exists for exactly that reason. I strongly recommend to use it.
As for your question of whether it is ok for Jakarta EE to depend on Eclipse MicroProfile Config, I think it is a good idea. Since many people including Adam Bien, myself, etc, seriously think Jakarta EE + MicroProfile are very powerful together and most of time they are needed at the same time, I strongly think it makes sense for Jakarta EE specs also utlising MicroProfile specs such as MicroProfile Config, etc. MicroProfile specs already pull in Jakarta EE specs, such as CDI, JAX-RS, JSON-B and JSON-P. Technically Jakarta EE should be able to pull in MicroProfile specs.
If a lightweight onboarding process is needed to enable MicroProfile specs to be used in Jakarta Specs, I am ok with that. It is very important that MicroProfile and Jakarta continue complementing with each other not competing with each other.
My 2cents.
Emily
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 9:07 PM Otavio Santana <otaviopolianasantana@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone, I have one question about the integration between Jakarta and Eclipse MicroProfile.
As you know, Jakarta EE has the goal of the cloud-native application, so we tend to use good practices on that.
There is the twelve-factor of an Appthat has the good practices of delivery your application in the cloud, and the third item there is the configuration.
My whole point here is that need to have one API to all Jakarta EE project to use related to configuration. We might use this API on several projects such as JPA, JMS, and so on. Right now, we're facing this discussion on Jakarta NoSQL.
My question is: Do we have plans to integrate Jakarta EE with Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration?
I'm not happy with a copy/paste approach from a feature that already exists, because that means two points to maintain; furthermore, that is not good code practices.
In the cloud, the perspective configuration will be like CDI, because several specifications are going to use it. Right now, my best shot to Jakarta NoSQL is to use only in the Reference implementation and put it as optional.
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