Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Moving MicroProfile JWT to Jakarta Security

[Mark Little <markclittle@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well said, David. I know I feel the same way and before I ask Red Hat engineering to do further work in Jakarta or MicroProfile I want to know whether it's under a collaborative or competitive basis as that will impact where we do such work, if at all.

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> On 10 Nov 2022, at 20:02, David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> On Nov 10, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Good points. There are indeed non-technical differentiators between MircoProfile and Jakarta EE. No one would dispute that.
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>> But since we are discussing important philosophical points, let us add the fact that the Eclipse Foundation has always and will always permit competing projects, and that extends to specifications as well. We will never endorse the allocation of a market to one coalition of vendors over another set of vendors. So just because MicroProfile has a specification in a particular domain in no way prevents Jakarta EE from creating a similar spec. That work may or may not be based on prior work done at MicroProfile, so "move" doesn't really factor into the discussion. 
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>> As you point out, there are important non-technical differences between the two. Any one of those could be a good reason why Jakarta EE may wish to have its own specifications which overlap or compete with MicroProfile specs.  In other words, there can be a myriad of reasons why competing specs may occur: business, technical, community, vendor support, etc etc. But "MicroProfile did it first" does not provide it with any sort of veto.
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> I think these are all very fair points and it's healthy to remind people and have that conversation.
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> I think it really comes down to if we want to continue to ensure both can live in the same box as many of us have been doing.  If we think that's important, then there are some values we would need to maintain.
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> If we don't want that and do want them to compete, then it might be better for us to explicitly decide that so everyone is fully aware and can plan accordingly.
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> Given the status quo has been they co-exist in the same box and don't compete, I'd greatly prefer an explicit decision that they will now compete vs slowly making them compete one spec at a time with no explicit conversation or decision that the two will now compete.
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> Now, I certainly don't always get what I want, but I find if I do my best to make myself at least understood I tend to feel a lot better about the outcome when things don't go my way.
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> My $0.02
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> -David
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