Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re: : Re: Standardizing new TC

[Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>]

Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 21:18, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

On 1/10/22 9:00 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> Well I would defend that in terms of time it is quite fast (way faster
> than using jakarta instead of javax for ex since it is just about moving
> the code, there is no restriction about resources AFAIK - weridly).

every TCK comes with documentation, assertions list and other files,
some do also have tests defined in text/html/xml files etc, so it is not
just about moving the code. Some TCKs also take non-trivial amount of
time to set up and execute (probably the longest one is xml binding tck
which is ~8hours/run) to test/check the change.

Ok, fast = < 1h man time investment cause it can be 100% automated (done by bulk at least for the poor man solution), so still not a blocker IMHO....and anyway it is about ensuring tck will help to certify the vendors or tck will be dead binaries so not sure there is a choice.

 

thanks,
--lukas

> Now it is also a miss in javax->jakarta move and nobody complained until
> now so maybe all vendors have workarounds and it is not that critical
> but I would fix it, worse case in a new release of TCK without
> re-releasing the platform (= make the release then catch up but ensure
> it is done somehow).
>
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> Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:54, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>
>     On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>      > @Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about
>     implementation -
>      > we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in general
>     but it
>      > is not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is
>     referenced in
>      > the platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as
>     explained
>      > before and is the best promise of a not functional setup. I can
>     agree
>      > JSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than others
>     and
>      > for this one it will likely work but it is not the most common
>     case and
>      > I don't think aving a particular case not showing a good example
>     of the
>      > platform best practise would be good to promote - but means it is
>     ok to
>      > not change for next release but will be a must after if you are
>     afraid
>      > of delays.
>
>     to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next release. I'm
>     against requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are, especially for
>     specs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or generally
>     specs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still have some
>     reasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.
>
>     thanks,
>     --lukas
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>      > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
>      >
>      >     I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get lost and
>     I would
>      >     not like to rehash this conversation again.  I'll only point
>     you to
>      >     this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:
>      >
>      >
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>      >     Tom
>      >     P.S.  I know we want more to happen outside of the calls, but I
>      >     think stuff like this would have been much better tracked in a
>      >     github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread like this.
>      >
>      >         ----- Original message -----
>      >         From: "Lukas Jungmann" <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >         Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
>      >         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package prefixes for
>     Jakarta
>      >         Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >         Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
>      >         On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via
>     jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
>      >          > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing list thread as
>      >         part of
>      >          > conversation.
>      >
>      >         I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the point where
>     it was
>      >         said
>      >         that _some_ implementations are having hard times optimizing
>      >         themselves.
>      >         If that is the problem, then, IMHO, implementations should be
>      >         fixed as
>      >         they are usually those the best knowing the real "why"
>     for what
>      >         are they
>      >         doing. I believe that what they are doing is not correct
>     in 100%
>      >         cases
>      >         and  it is possibly just a matter of time till someone
>     files an
>      >         issue
>      >         for some of those corner-cases for which the
>     "optimization" is
>      >         wrong.
>      >
>      >         Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests
>     instead of
>      >         fixing
>      >         the root causes of the problems going forward?
>      >
>      >         thanks,
>      >         --lukas
>      >
>      >
>      >          > Thanks
>      >          > Emily
>      >          >
>      >          > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
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>      >          >
>      >          >     On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
>      >         jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
>      >          >      > Hi Lukas,
>      >          >      >
>      >          >      > In your scenario, since you are using the forbidden
>      >         package naming
>      >          >      > convention, I think it should be updated for
>     Jakarta
>      >         EE 10.
>      >          >
>      >          >     Who and when has forbidden it?
>      >          >
>      >          >     thanks,
>      >          >     --lukas
>      >          >
>      >          >      > Before the voting is over, you can choose one
>     of the
>      >         options in
>      >          >     the list
>      >          >      > and go from there.
>      >          >      > Thanks
>      >          >      > Emily
>      >          >      >
>      >          >      > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas Jungmann
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>      >          >      >
>      >          >      >     On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
>      >          >      >      > +1
>      >          >      >      > So far we have only agreed that for
>     Jakarta 10 the
>      >          >     jakarta.* package
>      >          >      >      > name must NOT be used.  Ideally we would
>     have a
>      >         vote so
>      >          >     that any new
>      >          >      >      > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able to use an
>      >         agreed package
>      >          >     name,
>      >          >      >     but I
>      >          >      >      > don't think we should delay anything for
>      >         Jakarta 10 outside of
>      >          >      >     not allow
>      >          >      >      > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
>      >          >      >
>      >          >      >     just to make sure I understand this - in
>     jsonp-tck
>      >         which has been
>      >          >      >     extracted from the platform repo to jsonp repo,
>      >         tests were
>      >          >     moved to
>      >          >      >     `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the TCK as
>     such is
>      >         considered
>      >          >     almost
>      >          >      >     complete. We have one pending PR there + final
>      >         review pending
>      >          >     before
>      >          >      >     turning the draft spec PR into the regular one.
>      >         Are we really
>      >          >     required
>      >          >      >     to refactor everything at this stage again?
>      >          >      >
>      >          >      >     --lukas
>      >          >      >
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      > Tom
>      >          >      >      >
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>      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >      >     Standardizing new
>      >          >      >      >     TCK packages (was:package prefixes for
>      >         Jakarta Batch
>      >          >     TCK-related
>      >          >      >      >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >     Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
>      >          >      >      >     Hi Scott,
>      >          >      >      >     My responses are inline below.
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >     Thanks
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >     Emily
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >     On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM
>     Scott Marlow
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>     <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >         On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David Blevins
>     wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>         It sounds like we're all coming to
>      >         agreement and
>      >          >     we're
>      >          >      >     down to
>      >          >      >      >>         just picking the name.  To Nathan's
>      >         point, being
>      >          >     quick
>      >          >      >     is key.
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>         Here's a proposal on how to
>     wrap this up:
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>          - We give till Monday 8am
>     Pacific for
>      >         people to
>      >          >     suggest a
>      >          >      >      >>         package prefix that does not start
>      >         with "jakarta"
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>          - On Monday we start a 72-hour
>     rank
>      >         choice vote
>      >          >     here on the
>      >          >      >      >>         mailing list.
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>          - If the chosen option needs to be
>      >         eliminated
>      >          >     for any
>      >          >      >     reason,
>      >          >      >      >>         we go to the second choice,
>     etc.  No
>      >         new vote
>      >          >     necessary
>      >          >      >     (yay,
>      >          >      >      >>         ranked choice).
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>          - The chosen prefix would be a
>      >         recommendation for
>      >          >      >     Jakarta EE
>      >          >      >      >>         10 and a requirement for Jakarta EE
>      >         11.  TCK
>      >          >     classes from
>      >          >      >      >>         Jakarta EE 9.x and before are
>     exempt,
>      >         though we
>      >          >     may chose to
>      >          >      >      >>         have a separate discussion to
>     change
>      >         them at some
>      >          >     point.
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for
>     recommending that
>      >         new TCK
>      >          >     tests to
>      >          >      >     be added
>      >          >      >      >         to EE 10 will use the package
>     prefix?
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >       I think if possible, use the agreed
>      >         package prefix.
>      >          >     If not,
>      >          >      >     leave
>      >          >      >      >     it for now. I think the minimum is
>     not to
>      >         use jakarta.*
>      >          >      >     prefix as it
>      >          >      >      >     might cause issues.
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for requiring
>     that new
>      >         TCK tests
>      >          >     to be
>      >          >      >     added to
>      >          >      >      >         EE 11 will use the package prefix?
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >     Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must use the new
>      >         namespace.
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >         Scott
>      >          >      >      >
>      >          >      >      >>         Unless there are other
>     proposals, I'll
>      >         kick that
>      >          >     vote off on
>      >          >      >      >>         Monday.
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>         -David
>      >          >      >      >>
>      >          >      >      >>>         On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:51 AM,
>     Nathan Rauh
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>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Emily,
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         To answer your question, it's an
>      >         existing TCK
>      >          >     that we are
>      >          >      >      >>>         porting from the platform into
>     the the
>      >          >     particular spec
>      >          >      >      >>>         project where we are also
>     adding new
>      >         test cases to
>      >          >      >     cover the
>      >          >      >      >>>         function that is new in EE
>     10.  The
>      >         developer
>      >          >     working
>      >          >      >     on the
>      >          >      >      >>>         TCK port overachieved and had
>     renamed the
>      >          >     packages from
>      >          >      >      >>>         whatever they were previously to
>      >         jakarta.*, and
>      >          >     then others
>      >          >      >      >>>         of us when adding new tests
>     used the same
>      >          >     package to match
>      >          >      >      >>>         the ported tests.  To
>     reiterate what
>      >         stated in my
>      >          >      >     reply, this
>      >          >      >      >>>         is not going to be a concern for
>      >         TomEE and others
>      >          >      >     because I'm
>      >          >      >      >>>         agreeing to get the TCK off of the
>      >         jakarta.*
>      >          >     packages
>      >          >      >     for EE
>      >          >      >      >>>         10 - just not to wait for the
>     outcome
>      >         of what
>      >          >     will be
>      >          >      >     the new
>      >          >      >      >>>         convention because that would
>     set us
>      >         back too far.
>      >          >      >     Given the
>      >          >      >      >>>         number of positive replies to
>     that, I
>      >         already have a
>      >          >      >     pull in
>      >          >      >      >>>         place to do so and have notified
>      >         several other spec
>      >          >      >      >>>         participants who have new TCK
>     tests
>      >         that they
>      >          >     are writing
>      >          >      >      >>>         currently in progress so that
>     can use
>      >         a different
>      >          >      >     package.  I
>      >          >      >      >>>         appreciate the quick replies from
>      >         everyone -
>      >          >     this is a case
>      >          >      >      >>>         where being able to take decisive
>      >         action right away
>      >          >      >      >>>         definitely lessens the impact.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         From:        "Romain Manni-Bucau"
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>      >          >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages
>      >         (was:package
>      >          >     prefixes for
>      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
>      >          >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >>>         Sent by:     
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>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Just want to remind we don't speak
>      >         about some
>      >          >     issue with
>      >          >      >      >>>         implementations - typically
>     TomEE has
>      >         a "toggle" to
>      >          >      >     solve it
>      >          >      >      >>>         - but with the spec which
>     forbids it
>      >         so it means
>      >          >     that using
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.tck is forbidden by
>     jakarta
>      >         as quote
>      >          >     earlier, in
>      >          >      >      >>>         particular cause most of TCK
>     are ran
>      >         in servlet
>      >          >     context by
>      >          >      >      >>>         the TCK runner and it had been
>     like
>      >         that since
>      >          >     years, I
>      >          >      >     just
>      >          >      >      >>>         think javax -> jakarta (and more
>      >         likely sun ->
>      >          >     eclipse)
>      >          >      >     move
>      >          >      >      >>>         missed that.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         So no choice to rename, it
>     seems the
>      >         options are:
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         * jakarta.ee- from my point of
>     view
>      >         it comes from
>      >          >      >     nowhere for
>      >          >      >      >>>         anyone not deeply involved in
>     Jakarta,
>      >          >      >      >>>         * tck.jakarta - not very neat
>     but works
>      >          >      >      >>>         * org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I
>     still
>      >         think it is
>      >          >     the most
>      >          >      >      >>>         consistent with what Jakarta
>     is as of
>      >         today.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Agree existing spec (using
>     org.jboss
>      >         for ex)
>      >          >     don't need to
>      >          >      >      >>>         move now, the only requirement
>     is to
>      >         not use
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.something for anything
>     which
>      >         is actually
>      >          >      >     deployed as
>      >          >      >      >>>         an application.
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>     Emily
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>      >          >      >      >>>         Nathan,
>      >          >      >      >>>         Which Jakarta spec tcks
>     already used this
>      >          >     package starting
>      >          >      >      >>>         with jakarta.*? Is this change new
>      >         for Jakarta
>      >          >     EE 10 or
>      >          >      >      >>>         already released in the earlier
>      >         Jakarta EE
>      >          >     release? If
>      >          >      >     it was
>      >          >      >      >>>         released before, then it is not an
>      >         issue. If it
>      >          >     is a new
>      >          >      >      >>>         change, will this be a concern for
>      >         TomEE as
>      >          >     mentioned
>      >          >      >     by David?
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         When TomEE (might be others)
>     comes to
>      >         run the
>      >          >     tck, it might
>      >          >      >      >>>         cause issues. David, any
>     thoughts on
>      >         this? If it
>      >          >     is the
>      >          >      >     case,
>      >          >      >      >>>         it might be ok to choose a
>     different
>      >         package such as
>      >          >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta or jakartatck etc.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         By the way, the new naming
>     convention
>      >         is for new
>      >          >     specs. The
>      >          >      >      >>>         existing specs should adopt it
>     in the
>      >         subsequent
>      >          >     release EE
>      >          >      >      >>>         11 once we have reached
>     agreement on
>      >         which name
>      >          >     to use.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks
>      >          >      >      >>>         Emily
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:41 PM
>     Nathan
>      >         Rauh
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>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>         This discussion is concerning
>     because
>      >         one of the
>      >          >     Jakarta
>      >          >      >      >>>         specs that I'm working on and
>     which
>      >         is already
>      >          >     cutting
>      >          >      >     it too
>      >          >      >      >>>         close making the EE 10 release is
>      >         unfortunately
>      >          >     using
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package names for TCK
>      >         classes, and now
>      >          >     it's going
>      >          >      >      >>>         to need to change, further
>      >         compromising our
>      >          >     chances of
>      >          >      >      >>>         getting into EE 10.  The chosen
>      >         package name
>      >          >     doesn't matter
>      >          >      >      >>>         to me, nor does whether or not
>     there is
>      >          >     standardization
>      >          >      >      >>>         across TCKs.  What does matter (to
>      >         this spec at
>      >          >     least) is
>      >          >      >      >>>         getting a decision made
>     quickly, but
>      >         I don't
>      >          >     foresee a
>      >          >      >      >>>         decision on this being reached
>      >         anytime soon
>      >          >     given the many
>      >          >      >      >>>         widely varying opinions that will
>      >         likely eventually
>      >          >      >     become a
>      >          >      >      >>>         vote, itself with a sufficient
>     period
>      >         of time
>      >          >     for votes
>      >          >      >     to be
>      >          >      >      >>>         collected and all of that.
>     It's just
>      >         way too
>      >          >     late into
>      >          >      >     EE 10
>      >          >      >      >>>         for adding a new requirement like
>      >         this, and I'm
>      >          >     going to
>      >          >      >      >>>         suggest that it apply to EE 11
>      >         instead, with the
>      >          >      >      >>>         understanding that for EE 10,
>     we'll
>      >         at least get
>      >          >     off of the
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package name in the
>     tck to
>      >         something
>      >          >     else and
>      >          >      >     then
>      >          >      >      >>>         align with whatever you decide
>     in EE
>      >         11. Unless
>      >          >     anyone
>      >          >      >      >>>         objects, that's what I'll plan
>     on doing.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
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>      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages
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>      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
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>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         At least org.glassfish still
>     seems to
>      >         be used.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Werner
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Gesendet von Mailfür Windows
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Von: Mike Milinkovich
>      >          >      >      >>>         Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6.
>     Januar 2022
>      >         15:24
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>      >          >      >      >>>         Betreff: Re:
>     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >     Standardizing new TCK
>      >          >      >      >>>         packages (was:package prefixes for
>      >         Jakarta Batch
>      >          >      >     TCK-related
>      >          >      >      >>>         classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         I would like to point out that
>     we do
>      >         not use
>      >          >     "org" anywhere
>      >          >      >      >>>         with Jakarta at the moment. We
>     do not
>      >         own the
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.orgdomain name, for
>     example.
>      >         We do own
>      >          >     and use the
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.eedomain name.
>      >          >      >      >>>         From my perspective, starting
>     to use
>      >         the .org
>      >          >     TLD with
>      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta for this purpose might be
>      >         confusing.
>      >          >      >      >>>         On 2022-01-06 9:09 a.m., Scott
>     Kurz
>      >         wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         +1  fororg.jakartatck.*
>      >          >      >      >>>         (though OK with the other options)
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks David for making that an
>      >         option and
>      >          >     thanks all for
>      >          >      >      >>>         giving this some thought.     Even
>      >         though not
>      >          >     too many
>      >          >      >     people
>      >          >      >      >>>         look at a TCK relatively
>     speaking it
>      >         seemed
>      >          >     better to
>      >          >      >     be good
>      >          >      >      >>>         Java citizens and use a
>     package of a
>      >         domain name
>      >          >     we own.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >   
>        ------------------------------------------------------
>      >          >      >      >>>         Scott Kurz
>      >          >      >      >>>         WebSphere / Open Liberty Batch and
>      >         Developer
>      >          >     Experience
>      >          >      >      >>> skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >     ---01/06/2022
>      >          >      >      >>>         05:16:41 AM---Thank you David
>     for the
>      >         detailed
>      >          >      >     explanation! I
>      >          >      >      >>>         now understood the concern. The
>      >         following package na
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>      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages
>     (was:
>      >         package
>      >          >     prefixes for
>      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?
>      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >>>         Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"
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>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Thank you David for the detailed
>      >         explanation! I now
>      >          >      >      >>>         understood the concern.
>      >          >      >      >>>         The following package name
>     might work:
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         In all, we could choose one
>     from the list
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         org.jakartatck.*
>      >          >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta.tck.*
>      >          >      >      >>>         tck.jakarta.*
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks
>      >          >      >      >>>         Emily
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:09
>     AM David
>      >         Blevins
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>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>         I think I finally see what
>     Romain is
>      >         talking about.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         I know in TomEE we have several
>      >         optimizations to
>      >          >     try and
>      >          >      >      >>>         speed up deployment and bytecode
>      >         scanning.  We'll
>      >          >      >     filter out
>      >          >      >      >>>         jars that match patterns like
>      >         log4j-*, openejb-*,
>      >          >      >     jakarta-*.
>      >          >      >      >>>          Those jars are removed from
>     the list
>      >         of jars
>      >          >     that could
>      >          >      >      >>>         potentially contain
>     applications and
>      >         they'll
>      >          >     never be
>      >          >      >      >>>         searched for annotations like
>      >         @Singleton, etc.
>      >          >      >     Additionally,
>      >          >      >      >>>         as everyone uses somewhat
>     expensive
>      >         bytecode readers
>      >          >      >     like ASM
>      >          >      >      >>>         to parse bytecode and scan for
>      >         annotations, we have
>      >          >      >      >>>         additional filters to skip
>      >         non-application
>      >          >     classes, such as
>      >          >      >      >>>         javax.* and jakarta.*.  There are
>      >         classloader
>      >          >     related
>      >          >      >     actions
>      >          >      >      >>>         as well.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         Here's an example we hit in
>      >         EclipseLink when we
>      >          >     tried
>      >          >      >     to use
>      >          >      >      >>>         the Eclipse Transformer to do the
>      >          >     javax-to-jakarta change.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         -
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >
>      >
>     https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345
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>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         We were transforming
>     EclipseLink 2.x
>      >         which did
>      >          >     not have the
>      >          >      >      >>>         `!name.startsWith("jakarta.")`
>     string
>      >         check, so
>      >          >     jakarta.*
>      >          >      >      >>>         classes were getting loaded as
>      >         application
>      >          >     classes and
>      >          >      >      >>>         causing most tests to fail.
>     We hit
>      >         this in a
>      >          >     few different
>      >          >      >      >>>         libraries and ended up having to
>      >         patch source to
>      >          >     ensure
>      >          >      >      >>>         "jakarta." and "Ljakarta/" were
>      >         factored into
>      >          >     any code that
>      >          >      >      >>>         checked for "javax." as a
>     package or
>      >         "Ljavax/"
>      >          >     as bytecode.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         If we started putting the TCK
>     tests
>      >         in "jakarta.tck"
>      >          >      >     and that
>      >          >      >      >>>         also included the test
>     applications
>      >         we need to
>      >          >     deploy and
>      >          >      >      >>>         verify, that definitely will cause
>      >         issues in a
>      >          >     handful of
>      >          >      >      >>>         component implementations we
>     all use.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         The only way to handle it
>     would be to
>      >         update
>      >          >     code like this
>      >          >      >      >>>         to have an exclusion that
>     explicitly
>      >         checks for
>      >          >      >     "jakarta.tck"
>      >          >      >      >>>         and ensures it is treated as
>     user-created
>      >          >     application code
>      >          >      >      >>>         and bypasses any "javax" or
>     "jakarta"
>      >         checks.
>      >          >     That's going
>      >          >      >      >>>         to mean there'll be code in our
>      >         implementations
>      >          >     that says
>      >          >      >      >>>         essentially  "if your code starts
>      >         with jakarta.tck,
>      >          >      >     make sure
>      >          >      >      >>>         it's treated correctly,
>     otherwise do
>      >         something
>      >          >     else."  That
>      >          >      >      >>>         could be a slippery slope.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         It's probably better if we
>     don't put
>      >         ourselves in a
>      >          >      >     situation
>      >          >      >      >>>         were we have to write code to
>      >         specially handle TCK
>      >          >      >     applications.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         It occurs to be in writing
>     this that
>      >         literally any
>      >          >      >     characters
>      >          >      >      >>>         before "jakarta" solves this
>     issue.
>      >         If we want
>      >          >     a short
>      >          >      >     name,
>      >          >      >      >>>         we do own the jakarta.eedomain
>     and can
>      >          >     potentially use
>      >          >      >     either
>      >          >      >      >>>         of these:
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.*
>      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.tck.*
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         I also just looked and
>     jakartatck.orgwas
>      >          >     available, so I
>      >          >      >      >>>         purchased that and we could
>      >         potentially use:
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         - org.jakartatck.*
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         If we wanted to go that direction,
>      >         I'd just transfer
>      >          >      >      >>>         jakartatck.orgto the Working Group
>      >         like I did when
>      >          >      >     purchased
>      >          >      >      >>> jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>
>      >          >     <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >       <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >       <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>
>      >         <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>.
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >      >>>         --
>      >          >      >      >>>         David Blevins
>      >          >      >      >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>
>      >
>      >          >     <http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >       <http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >       <http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
>      >         <http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>
>      >
>      >          >     <http://www.tomitribe.com
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>      >       
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >       <http://www.tomitribe.com
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:19 PM,
>     Thomas
>      >         Watson
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Just to make sure I
>     understand you.
>      >         Are you
>      >          >      >     suggesting that
>      >          >      >      >>>>         an application class loader
>     for the
>      >         old Java EE
>      >          >     (e.g. Java
>      >          >      >      >>>>         EE 8) must not allow not allow an
>      >         application
>      >          >     (WAR) to
>      >          >      >      >>>>         package and load any classes from
>      >         javax.* which
>      >          >     they
>      >          >      >      >>>>         contain.  For example, no
>      >         application server should
>      >          >      >     allow an
>      >          >      >      >>>>         application to contain and
>      >         successfully load
>      >          >      >     javax.foo.Bar?
>      >          >      >      >>>>          And now that we are in the
>      >         jakarta.* namespace no
>      >          >      >      >>>>         application server should
>     allow an
>      >         application
>      >          >     to package
>      >          >      >      >>>>         and load a jakarta.foo.Bar
>     class?
>      >         What about javax
>      >          >      >     now that
>      >          >      >      >>>>         we are jakarta, can
>     applications in
>      >         Jakarta 9 now
>      >          >      >      >>>>         successfully include and load
>      >         javax.foo.Bar?
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         I have to say this is news to me,
>      >         and I do not
>      >          >     believe
>      >          >      >     that
>      >          >      >      >>>>         is the way most application
>     servers
>      >         behave.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message -----
>      >          >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
>      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         To: "jakartaee-platform developer
>      >         discussions"
>      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >      >      >>>>
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>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         Cc:
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
>      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
>     packages (was:
>      >         package
>      >          >     prefixes for
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
>     classes?
>      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 2:09 PM
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 20:37,
>     Thomas
>      >         Watson
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         If you want one example, servlet
>      >         10.7.2 (for
>      >          >     v4.0 to take
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         one example) explicit it and for
>      >         good technical
>      >          >      >     reasons so
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is a "must stay" but it
>     implies
>      >         TCK shouldn't
>      >          >      >     reuse the
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         same package by design and as it
>      >         always had
>      >          >     been so
>      >          >      >     it let
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         you org.eclipse for projects
>      >         without an historical
>      >          >      >     package
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         (guess it is more than fine
>     to keep the
>      >          >     existing one when
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is there).
>      >          >      >      >>>>         In no way do I see how that
>     section
>      >         of the v4.0
>      >          >      >     servlet spec
>      >          >      >      >>>>         says anything about
>     jakarta.*.  That
>      >         package didn't
>      >          >      >     exist in
>      >          >      >      >>>>         v4.  For v5 we have:
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >
>      >
>     https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader
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>      >          >      >
>      >          >
>      >         
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>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >
>      >          >
>      >         
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>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Here I think you are referring to
>      >         this sentence:
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         "Servlet containers that are not
>      >         part of a
>      >          >     Jakarta EE
>      >          >      >      >>>>         product should not allow the
>      >         application to
>      >          >     override
>      >          >      >     Jakarta
>      >          >      >      >>>>         EE platform classes, such as
>     those
>      >         in the jakarta.*
>      >          >      >      >>>>         namespaces, that Jakarta EE
>     does not
>      >         allow to be
>      >          >      >     modified."
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes are not
>     considered platform
>      >          >     classes, they are
>      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes.  I don't see how
>     this
>      >         sentence
>      >          >     applies to a
>      >          >      >      >>>>         possible jakarta.tck package.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         This is true for part of the
>     tck but
>      >         most of
>      >          >     them are
>      >          >      >      >>>>         *applications* (servlet for a
>      >         trivial example,
>      >          >      >     everything in
>      >          >      >      >>>>         war/ear for another one).
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Just stated what we have and do -
>      >         and to be
>      >          >     honest it is
>      >          >      >      >>>>         normal otherwise tck wouldnt
>     validate
>      >          >     compliance using a
>      >          >      >      >>>>         custom packaging ;).
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message -----
>      >          >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
>      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >           <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >   
>       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >   
>        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >   
>       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         To: "Emily Jiang"
>      >         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Cc: "jakartaee-platform developer
>      >         discussions"
>      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >           <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
>      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
>     packages (was:
>      >         package
>      >          >     prefixes for
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
>     classes?
>      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 10:09 AM
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 16:37,
>     Emily
>      >         Jiang
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>         @Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >          >      >      >>>>          I must have misunderstood your
>      >         question. Let
>      >          >     me try again
>      >          >      >      >>>>         to clarify this:
>      >          >      >      >>>>         1. what's the plan about the spec
>      >         saying jakarta.*
>      >          >      >     should be
>      >          >      >      >>>>         excluded from the applications
>      >         (which means it
>      >          >     cant be
>      >          >      >     used
>      >          >      >      >>>>         by TCK)?
>      >          >      >      >>>>         I disagree with what you said
>      >         jakarta.* can't
>      >          >     be used
>      >          >      >     by TCK
>      >          >      >      >>>>          because TCKs are part of
>     specs and
>      >         do not fall
>      >          >     into the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         application category.
>     Besides, can
>      >         you point
>      >          >     out which
>      >          >      >     spec
>      >          >      >      >>>>         has this sentence? We need to
>      >         discuss this
>      >          >     further to see
>      >          >      >      >>>>         whether it is correct to say
>     so if
>      >         it does have
>      >          >     this
>      >          >      >     sentence.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Ok so the consequence of you
>      >         statement is that
>      >          >     there is no
>      >          >      >      >>>>         application code in TCK, no CDI
>      >         bean, no EJB, no
>      >          >      >     servlet, no
>      >          >      >      >>>>         JSP etc... (which is not true
>      >         right?) so TCK
>      >          >     are mainly a)
>      >          >      >      >>>>         application code and b) test code
>      >         (sometimes c)
>      >          >     runner
>      >          >      >     code
>      >          >      >      >>>>         but let's integrate it in b)).
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         If you want one example, servlet
>      >         10.7.2 (for
>      >          >     v4.0 to take
>      >          >      >      >>>>         one example) explicit it and for
>      >         good technical
>      >          >     reasons so
>      >          >      >      >>>>         it is a "must stay" but it
>     implies TCK
>      >          >     shouldn't reuse the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         same package by design and as it
>      >         always had
>      >          >     been so it let
>      >          >      >      >>>>         you org.eclipse for projects
>     without an
>      >          >     historical package
>      >          >      >      >>>>         (guess it is more than fine
>     to keep the
>      >          >     existing one
>      >          >      >     when it
>      >          >      >      >>>>         is there).
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         2. What about user confusion?
>     "not
>      >         care" :(?
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Not sure what user confusion
>     do you
>      >         mean? TCKs
>      >          >     are pretty
>      >          >      >      >>>>         much for implementers.
>     Besides, I am
>      >         not sure what
>      >          >      >      >>>>         confusions you are referring
>     to. I
>      >         think the
>      >          >     namespace
>      >          >      >     with
>      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck is clearer as it
>     means
>      >         the tck classes
>      >          >      >     from Jakarta.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         As soon as you get the
>     dependency in
>      >         a dependency -
>      >          >      >     you are
>      >          >      >      >>>>         an user by definition - then
>     you can
>      >         get issues
>      >          >     if you use
>      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.
>      >          >      >      >>>>         It is also the case for end
>     user -
>      >         who never
>      >          >     use tck
>      >          >      >     package
>      >          >      >      >>>>         - on maven if they are released
>      >         under jakarta
>      >          >     groupId
>      >          >      >     so as
>      >          >      >      >>>>         recommended in java ecosystem the
>      >         groupId should be
>      >          >      >     aligned
>      >          >      >      >>>>         on the package base name so
>     likely use
>      >          >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or
>     alike.
>      >         The risk is
>      >          >     users start
>      >          >      >      >>>>         importing tck instead of the
>     spec and
>      >          >     application will
>      >          >      >     work
>      >          >      >      >>>>         cause the spec comes transitively
>      >         but it is not
>      >          >     what
>      >          >      >     jakarta
>      >          >      >      >>>>         wants, right? Making it clean is
>      >         trivial and
>      >          >      >     consistent with
>      >          >      >      >>>>         everything so I think it is worth
>      >         not trying to
>      >          >     be more
>      >          >      >      >>>>         clever than we need to.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         HTH
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:02 PM
>      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: i know TCK are part
>     of the
>      >         spec as well
>      >          >     as the
>      >          >      >     API,
>      >          >      >      >>>>         javadoc and textual doc
>     (pdf/word)
>      >         but you didn't
>      >          >      >     solve the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         2 issues I mentionned (not even
>      >         speaking of the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         inconsistency between the
>     status and
>      >         naming
>      >          >     which is
>      >          >      >      >>>>         something very few will care
>     except
>      >         eclipse itself
>      >          >      >     maybe) so
>      >          >      >      >>>>         not sure how the fact it is
>      >         delivered as a whole
>      >          >      >     solves the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         fact it is forbidden by spec
>     to use
>      >         this package.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
>      >         Github |
>      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 15:26,
>     Emily
>      >         Jiang
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain,
>      >          >      >      >>>>         TCKs are part of spec, as
>     spec includes
>      >          >     api/spec doc /tck.
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 1:48 PM
>      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: what's the plan about the
>      >         spec saying
>      >          >     jakarta.*
>      >          >      >      >>>>         should be excluded from the
>      >         applications (which
>      >          >     means it
>      >          >      >      >>>>         cant be used by TCK)? What
>     about user
>      >          >     confusion? "not
>      >          >      >     care" :(?
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 14:31,
>     Emily
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>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>         We discussed the various package
>      >         names including
>      >          >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.*. The feedback
>     is that
>      >         TCKs should
>      >          >     align with
>      >          >      >      >>>>         the corresponding spec. It is
>     much
>      >         nicer to
>      >          >     start with
>      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck to denote the TCK
>      >         classes and also
>      >          >     easily to
>      >          >      >      >>>>         filter out with pattern matching
>      >         when searching
>      >          >     for api
>      >          >      >      >>>>         classes. Besides it is much
>     shorter than
>      >          >      >     org.eclipse.jakarta.
>      >          >      >      >>>>         In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you
>     will use
>      >          >     jakarta.tck.batch
>      >          >      >      >>>>         instead of
>      >         org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:05 AM
>      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>>         As written on jbatch list I
>     think it
>      >         is normal
>      >          >     and safe to
>      >          >      >      >>>>         use org.eclipse.<something like
>      >         jakarta.spec or
>      >          >     just spec>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         since jakarta specs are eclipse
>      >         projects. It
>      >          >     also has the
>      >          >      >      >>>>         advantage to not use jakarta.*
>      >         package which is
>      >          >     treated
>      >          >      >      >>>>         specifically by all
>     implementations
>      >         (by spec
>      >          >     actually ;))
>      >          >      >      >>>>         and would need some specific
>     rules
>      >         in the impl
>      >          >     is used for
>      >          >      >      >>>>         tcks too which is not the
>     target of
>      >         the spec at
>      >          >     all.
>      >          >      >     Lastly
>      >          >      >      >>>>         it makes it obvious it is not
>     part
>      >         of the API
>      >          >     for users so
>      >          >      >      >>>>         it is very good too. For me, it
>      >         looks like a
>      >          >      >     consistent and
>      >          >      >      >>>>         good compromise for everyone
>      >         (foundation, users,
>      >          >      >     vendors and
>      >          >      >      >>>>         spec contributors/legal).
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 08:23,
>      >         Jean-Louis Monteiro
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>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Sounds like a good
>     improvement to me
>      >         as well
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à 22:00,
>     David
>      >         Blevins
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>      >          >      >      >>>>         écrit :
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:23 PM,
>     Emily
>      >         Jiang via
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>      >          >      >      >>>>>
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>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         I had this matter discussed
>     in today's
>      >          >     platform call.
>      >          >      >     Below
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         is the suggestion for the naming
>      >         convention:
>      >          >      >      >>>>>               • [Emily] Package naming
>      >         convention for
>      >          >     TCKs?
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages for TCK
>      >         starts with
>      >          >     various
>      >          >      >     names,
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss,
>     org.eclipse,
>      >          >      >     jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Should they be
>      >         standardized?
>      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Two things need naming
>      >         standard:
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                               •
>     Suggested
>      >         Naming Standard:
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         jakarta.tck.[spec]
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                               • New
>     classes in
>      >          >     existing TCKs
>      >          >      >     should
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         use the new name standard
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Artifacts
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                               • Same
>     group
>      >         id as the spec
>      >          >      >      >>>>>                               • Artifact
>      >         ids [foo]-tck
>      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Existing TCKs may
>     change if
>      >         they like
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         New TCKs must use the new
>     name standard
>      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         The above is the general
>     consensus
>      >         from the
>      >          >     meeting.
>      >          >      >     I will
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         start a new thread
>     conversation for
>      >         others to
>      >          >     comment on
>      >          >      >      >>>>>         the naming convention.
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Others can chime in, but I
>     like the
>      >         above
>      >          >     recommendation.
>      >          >      >      >>>>          Using jakarta.tck.[spec] is
>     just as
>      >         good as
>      >          >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
>      >         perhaps better.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         Also agree that it should be
>      >         standard across the
>      >          >      >     various TCKs.
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>         -David
>      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >          >      >      >>>>
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