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Re: [jakarta.ee-spec] Verifying that there is a zero cost way for committers to participate in specification projects
Formidable thread Scott and follow up Kevin. 

You are correct, becoming a Contributor for any project under EF requires the signature of the agreement and thats it. That person can be unemployed and still be welcomed as an independent contributor to add value to any EF project under the 350 active. 

As a Committer, you THAT Doer will also be welcomed to rock it as zero costs, yet attainting the MERIT to be a Committer is by each independent Community to vote that person in. 

If anyone has told any Contributor in the Jakarta EE ecosystem that they must pay to play, we must find that misinformed and set the record straight. 

This topic ought to and must be added to tomorrow's Jakarta EE Platform Call December 10th, 8am PDT call.
Jakarta EE 9 release depends on contributors to show up and rock via Git their voices.

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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I can't speak for the EF, but there better be a zero cost option for Committers.  How else would Markus be participating?  And, Mark Struberg?  Those are two key committers that are independent and not paying anything.  I'm sure there are others.  I thought that was one of our key goals was to provide zero-cost participation.  Working Group members will have to pay something, but not regular committers.  I sure hope my recollection is right on this...

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From:        Scott Stark <starksm64@xxxxxxxxx>
To:        Jakarta EE Steering Committee <jakarta.ee-steering@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Jakarta specification disccusions <jakarta.ee-spec@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        12/09/2019 14:13
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] [jakarta.ee-spec] Verifying that there is a zero cost way for committers to participate in specification projects
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While looking into what resources are available to contribute to the JAXB and JAX-WS specs in terms of updates, two of the main contributors to Apache CXF have indicated that they cannot work on these specification projects because their company(~200M in revenue) is unwilling to pay the $20k fee required by the current participation agreement:
https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/wpga/jakarta_ee_working_group_participation_agreement.pdf

When I went through the various levels of membership, it seems like they could come in as committer members at both the Eclipse Foundation and Jakarta EE Working Group levels and have a zero dollar cost to participate in these specifications. Am I correct in that reading of these various documents defining the requirements for a Specification Project member?

https://www.eclipse.org/projects/efsp/#efsp-projects
https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/jakarta_ee_charter.php
https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/wpga/jakarta_ee_working_group_participation_agreement.pdf
https://www.eclipse.org/membership/become_a_member/membershipTypes.php#committer

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