Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [starter-dev] [jakartaee-ambassadors] Re: Jak

["Amuda A. Badmus" <badmusamuda@xxxxxxxxx>]

Rush, Haste and related expressions have two major known histories and end results regardless of whether it's done in early or late stages.

1. Without adequate preparation, rushing to do anything yields no valuable results, and most time results in a loss of time and other resources.

2. With adequate preparation, rushing to do anything yields endless results.


I have seen a few of the Jakarta EE leaders publishing posts, notes, and articles on JBoss, Wildfly... recently, but few or perhaps the majority here(devs and other related users) might testify that those technologies aren't extensively considered as placed or highly perceived in reality.

The users(orgs., dev...) are the major determiners of the future of our product, and a slight mistake or underestimation would become history on our side.

JSF [1], JSP,  EJB, and other related tools were rushed into the market during their own time in the early phase when our users needed them, and they are part of what helped to date.

Time waits for none.

1. Does our users(orgs, dev...) want us to incorporate AI/ML into our products?

2. Does it matter to them or even solve their problems?

3. If it matters to them, what is the percentage of those to whom such matters, and for how long are they willing to use such?

4. Should their priority be our concern or the priority of what we want?

5. Do we bother to care about what the majority of our users want or what we desire?

A survey(which can be produced in a maximum of 14 days) might be worth preparing to ascertain if our known and reachable users truly want AI/ML in our products.

With consistency, taking a step(regardless of how small it might be) yields unimaginable results over taking no steps.

NLP, AI, and ML incorporation are completely not in their early or golden phase and are all traceable to the time of TOACP(The Art of Computer Programming, by Prof. Donald Knuth [2] ).

Our users are the major determiners of the future of our product.  A slight mistake or underestimation would become history on our side.

References

[1.] Jakarta Faces, Wikipedia, Available at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Faces>, [Accessed: May 22, 2024]

[2.] The Art of Computer Programming, Wikipedia, Available at < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Computer_Programming >,  [Accessed: May 22, 2024]

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On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 6:51 AM Alexander Rühl <alexander.ruehl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think, that we are currently in some gold-rush atmosphere, AI is everywhere and everyone thinks, he needs to jump on the gold train at all cost.

Of course, AI is powerful and offers new possibilities and cannot be ignored, but we don't have to enter panic mode and have the pressure to also provide something quickly just because all others do it.

Jakarta EE should continue the same way as it has done over a long time and see what has proven itself in the real world and then standardize it for our ecosystem.

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I think we should consider what the role of Jakarta EE is... is it to standardize existing patterns and features, or is it to be innovative? 

The generative AI world is moving so quickly, that I fear it may be too early for standardization at this stage... That being said, we should definitely be looking at what should be done in the (near) future, and make sure we properly coordinate with MicroProfile (which is also looking into this area). 

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On May 15, 2024 at 6:40 PM -0400, Amuda A. Badmus <badmusamuda@xxxxxxxxx>, wrote:

With the current situation of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Machine Learning (ML), we might need to reassess the direction of Jakarta EE updates.

Many known major companies have made significant strides in AI/ML, and I believe our community might need to consider how JakartaEE can adapt and grow alongside these advancements.

For instance, Spring (https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-ai) has already made strides in the AI domain by releasing something worth considering. 

In light of the rapid evolution in the industry, we must ask ourselves:

What unique value does JakartaEE provide to new and existing users in the face of AI/ML developments?

How can we strategically incorporate AI/ML technologies into JakartaEE to enhance its capabilities and user experience?

While it's essential to remain innovative, it's equally important for Jakarta EE to chart its course and become a game-changer in AI/ML.

It would be great to take a pause, ponder and re-strategise on how Jakarta EE could be a real game changer to AL/ML within our niche.

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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 2:31 PM Jeyvison Nascimento via jakarta.ee-community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks, Willem!

We are finishing some UI revamp work but as soon as this is done we will move to other features and we will definitely count on your help :)

Em seg., 13 de mai. de 2024 às 14:14, Willem McDonald <willemmcd@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

Hi everyone,

I’m happy to assist in creating some technical articles for usage examples of the Jakarta EE starter and generated projects. If we get the SOE right, it could drive more traffic to the starter.

Please feel free to reach out!. :)

Kind regards,

Willem McDonald

 

From: jakarta.ee-community <jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Jeyvison Nascimento via jakarta.ee-community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, May 13, 2024 at 14:15
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [starter-dev] Jakarta EE Starter Usage Data

This is awesome. Thanks for the data, Reza.

I think in the future when we are able to provide usage examples and not just the project bootstrap we may attract more downloads/usage but these numbers make me happy already :)

 

Em seg., 13 de mai. de 2024 às 03:32, Reza Rahman via starter-dev <starter-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:

Hi folks,

Attached is the usage metrics for the official Jakarta EE Starter and
graphs for each metric. Since we launched some time last year, we have
had 3.5K+ projects generated. While this is not stellar, it's OK.

Most folks are using Jakarta EE 10, Java SE 17 and the full platform.
There is still some usage of Jakarta EE 8 and Java SE 8. Core Profile
usage is pretty light. Docker usage is OK. Decent usage for the Web
Profile. The most popular runtime choices in order are: none (probably a
bunch of people just going with the default choice), WildFly, GlassFish,
Payara, Open Liberty, TomEE.

Thanks,

Reza
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