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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Required Fixes on the naming of Jakarta EE across its mediums] It is NOT Eclipse Jakarta EE =/ It is Jakarta EE
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I agree with Kevin that this is not urgent.
I do want to clarify that Jakarta deviates from the standard policy and the working group did pay for several trademarks to be filed and approved that would allow us to use "Jakarta" (not "Eclipse Jakarta") as the formal, legally correct and legally protected form.
- "JAKARTA"
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:8qhawx.2.3
- "JAKARTA EE"
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:8qhawx.2.2
- "JAKARTA EE COMPATIBLE"
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:8qhawx.2.1
- "JAKARTAONE"
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:8qhawx.2.4
We did successfully win the "Jakarta" trademark claim so we have "Jakarta® EE" on the front page of https://jakarta.ee
--
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Torkild U. Resheim <torkildr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Kevin & Amelia,
>
> All projects within the Eclipse community are formally named "Eclipse xyz". It is a part of our trademark policy and branding strategy. In practice this means that the full name must be used in formal documents, but it does not stop you from using simply "Jakarta EE" or just "Jakarta" in other documents or in daily speak. There are many examples of this from other projects. How to properly reference Eclipse projects is also well described in the Eclipse Project Handbook [1]. It is quite liberal, with the exception for formal documents. I hope and think this approach will work also for you.
>
> Also thank you for not spamming the Eclipse Committers List :)
>
> Best regards,
> Torkild
>
> [1] https://www.eclipse.org/projects/handbook/#trademarks-project-formal
>
>> 12. aug. 2020 kl. 16:57 skrev Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Amelia,
>> As my original reply mentioned, many of these agreements, documents, and web pages were created back when the Jakarta EE Working Group was still in its infancy. All of us were using "Eclipse Jakarta EE" and "Jakarta EE" interchangeably. So, it doesn't surprise me that there are areas that still need to be looked at.
>>
>> But, concerning the Participation Agreements... If you take a look at all of the other WG Participation Agreements (https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/explore.php), they all say "Eclipse xyz" -- even the new ones like AsciiDoc and Sparkplug. So, this is not something that Eclipse has done just to the Jakarta EE Working Group. It looks like they have had a template for a long time... It probably costs $$$ to modify these agreements, so why update them on a whim?
>>
>> But... With the move of the Eclipse Foundation from New Jersey to Belgium, these Agreements may need to go through an update in the near future. ("may" is the key word, I have no idea if this is required or not) If these Agreements need to be updated due to this change of incorporation, then maybe the "Eclipse" can be removed from the new agreement titles? I really don't know. I'm just offering up an observation. There may be reasons why the "Eclipse" wording is included on these Agreements.
>>
>> Anyway, I agree that we should take a look at these Agreements and determine whether the "Eclipse" should be dropped or not. At the same time, I really don't see why this is such an important topic that needs to be addressed with urgency. Most of the occurrences of "Eclipse Jakarta EE" have been shortened to just "Jakarta EE". We should open Issues where the other occurrences still exist and get them addressed in due time. It shouldn't be a panic (imho).
>>
>> BTW, I'm not going to copy all of the Eclipse Committers since I consider that spamming the committer community...
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Kevin Sutter
>> STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
>> e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
>> phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Jakarta EE community discussions <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Committers Eclipse Foundation <eclipse.org-committers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 08/11/2020 18:30
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Required Fixes on the naming of Jakarta EE across its mediums] It is NOT Eclipse Jakarta EE =/ It is Jakarta EE
>> Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> To everyone who contributes to project (s) under the Eclipse Foundation,
>>
>> I am going to be honest, I am deeply disappointed that the Eclipse Foundation Management has chosen to insert the Eclipse word in the Jakarta EE project. Many tries but the latest one I cannot let slide. Jakarta EE Working Group Agreement NOT approved by the WG.
>>
>> Reminder that the name of the project was chosen by the Java EE Community via a public vote by close to 7,000 votes as listed on this article by InfoWorld.
>>
>> Important: The Foundation has no say/no power on the Jakarta EE Management & leadership (NO VOTE). But continued actions continue to push for the contrary. Your actions cannot longer go unnoticed & cannot longer be handled via private mediums.
>>
>> The latest insult to this project Community is the legal adjustment of the Jakarta EE Working Group Agreement, changing the name is a serious threat.
>>
>> Tomitribe as many other Members signed the Jakarta EE agreement, which we helped write back in 2018/19. Please see below a copy of what it was signed & what needs to be. It is NOT right nor correct what is shown today in the public Jakarta EE WG Agreement.
>>
>> I can no longer let things continue sliding in the dark. Moving backgrounds instead of forwards. This forum will get updates of what's what until finally the 3 Committee calls become public and recorded so that the light is the protected of the project itself.
>> Already a thread was sent about the emergency of that action.
>>
>> On the MicroProfile side, I already pulled in the Eclipse Board of Directors via the public forum, I asked for their attention, for help to zoom- in and pay closer attention to the actions of those behind the management of the foundation.
>>
>> It has become a deeply exhausting, bothersome & sadly unnecessary task to flight on fixing ( that was never meant to exist in the first place)
>>
>> WHY THE HELL ARE WE HERE?
>> Projects & diverse communities are not being created or moved to the Eclipse Foundation to serve the EF's internal goals.
>> The point is that:
>> The Eclipse Foundation is meant to be the soil that allows for the opportunity/conditions of growth & development where individuals and corporations, alike can be nutrients & equal participants.
>>
>> To the EF: I don't know where that message was lost. But I ask you to shake what current is and to be true to what the Foundation is meant to do.
>>
>> To Jakarta EE contributors & committers & to every committer of the Eclipse Foundation--- is what I have shared in this message doesn't concern you, shake you- ask yourself why that is.
>>
>> <E-postvedlegg.png>
>>
>> Amelia Eiras
>> twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> Tribe: http://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
>> OSS: http://microprofile.io https://jakarta.ee
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 3:45 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> To the Eclipse Foundation team,
>>
>> Please correct the Jakarta EE Working Group Agreementby deleting the Eclipse from preceding Jakarta EE.
>> Other Jakarta EE legal documents applicable to the Working Group, specially binding Members, need to follow suit.
>>
>> Thank YOU,
>>
>> Amelia Eiras
>> twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> Tribe: http://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
>> OSS: http://microprofile.io https://jakarta.ee
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:44 AM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> +1 Scott, thank YOUfor owning that front! :)
>>
>> Amelia Eiras
>> twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> Tribe: http://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
>> OSS: http://microprofile.io https://jakarta.ee
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:13 AM Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks, this is very timely as I was just searching for the previous conversation about this and found this new thread!
>>
>> From discussion in https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/pull/389, I think that the TCKs should change "Eclipse EE4J Jakarta EE" to "Jakarta EE".
>>
>> We should also change "Eclipse Jakarta EE" to "Jakarta EE" as well in the TCKs.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:39 AM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Thank you for fixing the 1 page, upon your consuming of this message. I appreciate you, plus you so ROCK as a Jakarta EE #ossDOER :)
>>
>> Via the git issue, with your help and that of @chrisguindon & @jgallimore the PR fixing the name has been also submitted to the Tutorial page.
>>
>> I want to thank you Kevin for reminding everyonein this ecosystem that the access to the Jakarta EE project is deeply distributed. Any required adjustments ought not be sent only to the hired team BUT actually are the responsibility & ownership of the Jakarta EE ecosystem, which is made of Contributors & Committers, alike.
>>
>> With that in mind, I ask one of you, #ossDOERs, to please help audit the naming of the entire Jakarta EE platform using this thread in addition to:
>> • to the Jakarta EE Trademark Brand Usage Handbook. The 9 page slides was published in 2018, it was reviewed & approved by the WG. I was one of the individuals working on that write-up & its review, hence my message early in June & now.
>> • The Handbook is supplemented by the March 2020 Jakarta EE Trademarks.
>> As Kevin nicely pointed out, it is our responsibility to trace back what currently is & match it or adjust it.
>>
>> Cheers with tea from foggy Santa Monica,
>>
>> Amelia Eiras
>> twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> Tribe: http://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
>> OSS: http://microprofile.io https://jakarta.ee
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:07 AM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Amelia,
>> Thanks for pointing out these items. These are just accidental usage of the "Eclipse" name as we were kicking off the Working Group. One single git issue will probably not suffice since there is not one person or team that has access across all of the Jakarta EE related pages and repositories.
>>
>> I have cleaned up the Jakarta EE Platform PMI page: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.jakartaee-platform (A git issue the Platform project (https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-platform) would have highlighted this need.)
>>
>> The other item you highlighted in the git issue you raised is actually with the Tutorial project, which is mentioned in your Issue description: https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/jakartaee-tutorial
>> I will try to just re-route this Issue, but if I can't, then I would suggest you recreate it. I'll put comments in the issue as to my success (or not).
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Kevin Sutter
>> STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
>> e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
>> phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Jakarta EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 07/28/2020 20:15
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [jakarta.ee-community] [Required Fixes on the naming of Jakarta EE across its mediums] It is NOT Eclipse Jakarta EE =/ It is Jakarta EE
>> Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> Hola Jakartees,
>>
>> Back in early June I sent a message to this forum about the need to adjust the naming of what it was thrown as Eclipse Jakarta EE TCK to be Jakarta EE TCK.
>> Though this was fixed & voted as an error/oversight during on the June 24th Specification call with the Jakarta EE Working Group, the minutes for June are not yet available in the Jakarta EE Website under Resources.
>>
>> It is of much importance for Jakarta EE to protect is branding and make sure that the name accross its website, git, articles, etc reflect its correct name.
>>
>> As such, I have sent a git issue on the page connected to the EE4J space that mentions Jakarta EE as Eclipse Jakarta EE (which is not correct-- twice listed)
>> I hope that 1 git issue suffices to fix every where the Eclipse has been insertedwith respect to the Jakarta EE name.
>> • https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.jakartaee-platform
>> <E-postvedlegg.png>
>>
>> Thank you in advance to the assigned EF Jakarta EE marketing team for prioritizing the naming of Jakarta EE as Jakarta EE.
>>
>> Jakarta EE 9 release work continues to welcome new Contributors that are using the current tutorial and the documentation accross the tools used that is available. The fix cannot be delayed.
>>
>> Thank you in advance to the assigned EF Jakarta EE marketing team for prioritizing the naming of Jakarta EE as Jakarta EE.
>>
>> PS: I had to send a new thread instead of the original b/c the EF email forums do not allow for a smart search of its content yet.
>>
>> Amelia Eiras
>> twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> Tribe: http://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
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