+1
I agree that responding to market conditions and interpretations is probably just as important at this point as technology. The truth is that the Java EE platform has, in some circles, a poor reputation - undeservedly. But as was said a long time ago, “A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on.”
The point is: We have to work very hard to dispel the FUD surrounding Java EE, and in turn Jakarata EE, in order to make progress in the market and to do that we have to focus on perception as much as pure technology. You know I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, but as I suggested the truth is that none of this is about technical merit. Sometimes we really do need to just bow to where the market is driving us and not fight it. Once we have the technology on firmer footing is the time to explain to the marker why we are right. That's not now.
The market demand from where I clearly have seen again and again is allowing people to start with Java EE with nothing more than Servlet and a la carte let them add whatever else on top. In addition there is a viable smaller market for one or two sensible profiles. Right now people also want fat jars and hollow uber jars.
Giving people basically what we've been trying to push for years plus some ability to remove things or define things is yet another road to fighting another uphill battle that's honestly tiresome. The end result of where we are today should be telling us loud and clear we need to be thinking about these things differently going forward.
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-------- Original message -------- Date: 5/20/18 4:40 PM (GMT+01:00) Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] About Profiles
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