| Agreed. We (Red Hat) spent a lot of time and energy (and money) when EE6 came out to try to convince people that EE wasn’t “fat and slow”. I know other vendors did likewise. We definitely saw some improvements in understanding but I don’t believe we really “swung the needle” as some people like to say, and much of the negative perception kept coming back to the specs. MicroProfile doesn’t suffer from those perceptions and Jakarta EE really needs to not start from that point too.
Mark.
I am totally with Mark on these particular issues. Whatever the actual merits of the argument that we can argue endlessly, the reality is that customers cite Java EE "weight" as a reason to not adopt it with Docker/Cloud/Microservices, etc.
Additionally I believe other than minimizing endless conflict with Spring folks over CDI, making clear what Java EE is and how well adopted/not it is, a Servlet only core is also the right answer to combat the criticism that Java EE is fat.
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-------- Original message -------- Date: 5/18/18 3:47 PM (GMT+01:00) Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] About Profiles
You mean apart from cloud (yes, those 1 cent costs do add up, and there’s private cloud deployments of which you may be unaware and have some funky architectural choices behind them), IoT? Oh and maybe it’s not just 50MB but some modern implementations can still be a bit “plump” in some areas ;)
And then we get into the world of portability. As a developer I want to know a priori that my app will work across app servers and I really don’t want to have to check when I do the migration. Having app server A and B both say they support and are compliant with Profile X is extremely useful.
And what would we call those static configs. Oh hold on, let me suggest … profiles? ;)
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