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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] About Profiles
Hi,

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You mean apart from cloud (yes, those 1 cent costs do add up, and there’s private cloud deployments of which you may be unaware and have some funky architectural choices behind them), IoT? Oh and maybe it’s not just 50MB but some modern implementations can still be a bit “plump” in some areas ;)

Of course costs add up, but I'm just not entirely sure that 50MB increments is even an option. If you size up your storage, isn't that usually in bigger increments?

Like practically speaking, I've never really seen requirements to keep down the size of the .war for example in such small range. I.e. some libraries that you add to a .war can be 5MB a piece, so just a few of them gets you in the same order. Same with logging or tmp files you write. Yes, you have to keep them down in size, but a 50MB more or less is, in my experience, hardly making the difference.

The plumpness that we may see in practice is, I think, because of the extra functionality and other things servers offer, not so much because of the spec components.

A small spec like Soteria (Java EE Security) is for example about 150KB, would it really make sense to leave that out of a profile for the sake of disk space?

(a bigger spec impl. like Mojarra is ~3 to 4MB, and EclipseLink is I think around 5MB, but quite a lot are smaller too)


 
And then we get into the world of portability. As a developer I want to know a priori that my app will work across app servers and I really don’t want to have to check when I do the migration. Having app server A and B both say they support and are compliant with Profile X is extremely useful.
Indeed, but of course only if you assume the app server being installed already and publishing the same app to different platforms where the app server is already installed. For that, indeed, a limited amounts of profiles would be extremely useful, but only if that little bit of extra disk space is really so much to worry about.


 


Or a standardised static config, perhaps?

And what would we call those static configs. Oh hold on, let me suggest … profiles? ;)

:P Well, I actually meant the file or mechanism to set that config on a full server ;)

So for instance if my application uses JAX-RS, CDI, Bean Validation, and Expresion Language, you may want to have a standard config file where you can configure that. Next to that, it would still be handy to have a "name" for a certain popular collection, which is indeed akin to a profile. So the two concepts don't have to exclude each other.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms



 


Kind regards,
Arjan

 

Mark.


On 16 May 2018, at 23:16, Dominik Hufnagel <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As a user of JavaEE, I do not get the idea behind having multiple profiles. May someone can explain the benefits for users? If I can have a single profile with all available features, I would take it and I do not bother using a server which is 50MB larger of one with a „smaller“ profile. I can understand that it could be harder for vendors to enter the market having to provide the full profile. But for me, this would not be an argument for using smaller profiles. I’d rather take a server from a vendor which offers me the full profile. 
 

If I would use the MicroProfile and want to have JPA, do I have to add external dependencies? I really like some of the new APIs of the MicroProfile and would be happy to see them coming to JakartaEE.

Dominik
 
 
Von: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jakarta.ee-community-bounces@eclipse.org] Im Auftrag von Mark Little
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 11:42
An: Jakarta EE community discussions <jakarta.ee-community@eclipse.org>
Betreff: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] About Profiles
 
Hopefully others have responded already but … it’s for both: quick summary … vendors so they can ensure conformance and users so they can ensure portability and interoperability of their apps.
 
Speaking with my MicroProfile hat on, I for one would not want to trade the current MicroProfile for a full Jakarta EE profile and neither would our users.
 
Mark.
 
 
On 7 May 2018, at 17:33, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 
So then the first question is perhaps; who wants profiles and benefits from it? Is a profile intended for vendors or for users?
 
 
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