| Re: [ide-dev] A "releases/latest" URL in the IDE to ease upgrades? |
On 3 Dec 2015, at 18:04, Doug Schaefer wrote:
I¹m with Mickael here. If we never start, we will never change the culture
that has led us here. I¹m fine if 3rd party plug-ins break things. Users
can always reinstall and rebuild their workspaces from scratch, which
unfortunately is something they¹ve become used to anyway. But let¹s find
out how bad things really are before throwing away an opportunity to make
things better.
Which is why I suggested setting up a separate updatesite/EPP setup that we can try and use this with.
To learn and actually see what happens before we break everyone :)
/max
Doug.
On 2015-12-03, 11:52 AM, "ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Brian
de Alwis" <ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
briandealwis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:On 3-Dec-2015, at 11:34 AM, Mickael Istria mistria@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
At some point, I believe the IDE has to "lead" the ecosystem, by being
more helpful to its users, including allowing updating from Mars to
Neon, and that 3rd-party in the ecosystem have to adapt accordingly or
die. Eclipse IDE doesn't have to handle all the pain created by 3rd
party plugins and should be really focusing on its users more than on
all the possible ways for 3rd-party plugins to mess it up.Except we have no way to discover which of those 3rd party plugins do
mess up. And you can be sure that at least 30% of the users will have
one of those plugins installed :-(I¹d definitely support alerting of major upgrades if we had a better
rollback story [1], such as a button on the Switch Workspaces button, or
being able to hold down Ctrl+Alt on start [2]. But it needs to be rock
solid. I¹ve had mixed success in rolling back changes using the About >
Installation dialog: some have failed as the old features and bundles
can¹t be found (deleted from the bundle pool?) and couldn¹t be found at
any of my configured update sites.Brian.
[1] https://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Revert_an_Update_or_Installation_with_p2
[2] But I¹ve not been able to figure a way to query SWT as to which
modifier keys are currently held
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