On 02/13/2015 07:55 AM, Eike Stepper
wrote:
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Then UI is inconsistent with the IDE:
Yes, it took me 2 weeks to come up with something that creates a
modern, fresh experience. The first real users that saw it sent me
comments like "The new Ooomph wizard looks too cool to be eclipse.
But when it goes away I feel a bit sad only looking at plain old
eclipse ;-( ".
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first sight of the IDE is inconsistent with the whole IDE
experience, and can give a bad first impression.
Our other feedback was totally different, absolutely positive, so
far.
It's a cool UI that allows to do cool thing. It's normal that people
like it. I understand your opinion and the user comment. However,
now that it's there, it's also normal to wonder whether it can look
better, more integrated.
My POV is the one of someone who prefers consistency over coolness.
I acknowledge there are other POVs, that there is no one that is
absolutely better than the others, and that my opinion here won't
apply to everyone. But anyway, that's worth sharing how some users
like me feel about such UI ;)
Technically, not using a widget toolkit backed up by the OS also
brings some integration issues with the OS; and more important, some
accessibility issues, such as alternative navigations (keyboard,
voice) and UI customization (high-contrast themes, big fonts).
I
don't think that introducing a new UI paradigm at first glance
of the IDE is something good for the consistency. Similarly to
the slowness, consistency of UI has also been criticized by
users. I have the impression that having a non-JFace UI
Such as the Welcome page.
Agreed. But I don't consider welcome page as an example of
usability, and I really question its efficiency on new users, and by
the way, I even question its goal. To be clear, I dislike this
Welcome page.
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or if you want to be more RCP-friendly "Welcome to
${Platform.getProduct().getName()}" like in the About... menu
* And finally, and that's a more tricky one in term of IDE
design, we have a Welcome page, and a Oomph wizard that says
"Welcome".... There is definitely some overlap in term of goal
there, and keeping both isn't a good user experience, and would
just highlight that "Eclipse developers prefer keeping 2 messy
things
Can you elaborate on what exactly you think is messy?
What I find messy is the inconsistency of the "Welcome" experience:
simultaneously, users gets 1 SWT/JFace IDE, with an HTML Welcome
page inside, and a Welcome pop-up with "drawn" graphics instead of a
widget toolkit.
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