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Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to jakarta in package names
Sorry, I should have include the link to Mike's post:  https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg00331.html


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ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 05/30/2019 08:53:36 AM:

> From: "Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 05/30/2019 08:53 AM
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to jakarta in
> package names
> Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> There is absolutely no requirement to change anything in the Package
> names other than "javax" to "jakarta".  Thus, jms, jsp, jstl, jpa,
> ejb, etc can all by continued to use.  This was clearly stated by
> Mike Milinkovich on one of the Platform-Dev threads...
>
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> Kevin Sutter
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> ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 05/30/2019 08:35:29 AM:
>
> > From: "Gergely Molnár" <gergelymolnarpro@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 05/30/2019 08:35 AM
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to jakarta in
> > package names
> > Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Is JSP and JSLT affected too or Persistence (JPA)?
>
> > Best regards/Üdvözlettel,
> > Gergely Molnár
> >
> > arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. máj.
> > 30., Cs 15:30):
> > > The spec names should change but not the package other than
> > replacing javax with jakarta.  We already have a lot of work to do
> > with the transition without adding more overhead and honestly, I see
> > no benefit in changing the package names at all.
> >
> > I think there is a benefit, as mentioned that we only really get
> > this chance once. I do appreciate Kevin's concern for the ripple
> > effect, as indeed, every other change is just a small change on top
> > of the previous one. But all together it becomes bigger and bigger.
> >
> > That said, suppose we do indeed only change javax to jakarta, what
> > about packages that contain names that are not to be used anymore,
> > such as javax.jms? In that case I guess we *have* to change "jms" as
> > well, right?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Arjan
> >
> > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@xxxxxxxxx
> > > wrote:
> > +1 to this - perhaps package names can be changed for Jakarta EE 9/10
> >
> > On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 13:27, Richard Monson-Haefel <rmonson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > wrote:
> > Just chiming in, I hope that is Ok.
> >
> > The spec names should change but not the package other than
> > replacing javax with jakarta.  We already have a lot of work to do
> > with the transition without adding more overhead and honestly, I see
> > no benefit in changing the package names at all. People are used to
> > them, regardless of how strange they might be, and changing them
> > just adds to the confusion. I hope we don't do this on top of
> > everything else. Seems like a waste of resources and a great way to
> > create more issues.
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 4:03 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On a separate discussion thread, Bill Shannon and I were discussing
> > the proposed package renaming...
> >
> > > I trust this was just used as an example since there is no
> > requirement to change
> > > anything in the package name other than javax.  If a component
> > wishes to change
> > > the package name (ie. javax.ws.rs.* to jakarta.rest.*), then they
> > are allowed
> > > to.  But, I wouldn't recommend it.  Keep the changes to a minimum.
> >
> > This is indeed a completely separate issue, but the direction from the PMC
> > so far has been to use package names that are more aligned with the new spec
> > names.
> >
> > I don't remember that we, as the PMC, were recommending to modify
> > the package names to be more aligned with the new spec names.  And,
> > personally, I wouldn't recommend it.  The more we change, the more
> > angst it produces for our customers.  Just change javax to jakarta
> > and be done with it.  (IMHO)
> >
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