Re: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi John,
No, working groups are totally separate
animals from projects.  There are only a handful of working groups
within the Eclipse Foundation:  https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/

EE.next (or Jakarta EE) is the working
group that is being proposed to focus on the business aspects of the EE4J
projects.  New project proposals would go through the EE4J PMC, but
not necessarily the EE.next working group.  Not to say that there
won't be communications between the EE.next working group and the EE4J
PMC (heck, there most likely will be some overlap of personnel).  But,
the creation of new projects does not have to validated by the working
group.  (This is my understanding after sitting through all of these
discussions with and learning about the Eclipse Foundation...)

Another example...  As you know,
we within the MicroProfile project have talked about whether a working
group should be established for MicroProfile.  Before all of this
EE4J activity, I think there was some support both within our community
and the EF to look into proposing a "MicroProfile working group".
 But, now that we're establishing this EE.next working group, it probably
doesn't make sense to entertain that action now.  Eventually, we will
need to figure out how MicroProfile plays into the EE4J project and the
EE.next working group.  But, that's a further-down-the-road discussion...
 :-)

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From:      
 "John D. Ament"
<john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx>
To:      
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Date:      
 03/01/2018 03:15 PM
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   Re: [ee4j-community]
Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
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So if a new working group is to be established, it would
just come through as a new project request?

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:58 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Overall, I agree with Steve's assessment.
 But...  I don't think it's up to the EE4J PMC to propose new
projects.  Anybody can do an Eclipse project proposal.  When
a proposal is submitted, a top-level project is selected.  The PMC
for that project will then be notified and asked to review it.  So,
if somebody wants to create a new EE4J sub-project, they could submit a
proposal to the EE4J PMC, and it would be evaluated.  If the PMC approves
it then it would be submitted to the Eclipse team for provisioning of the
new project.

For now, all of the "Java EE" projects are being proposed by
the EE4J PMC (specifically, Dmitry is doing most of that leg work, thank
you!).  But, after Jakarta EE gets established, then I would not expect
that responsibility to fall on the PMC shoulders.  We would become
a bottleneck if that were to happen.  We need more participation from
the community and new project proposals would be part of that activity.

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Kevin Sutter 
STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx    Twitter:  @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620(office)    
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter



From:        "Steve
Millidge (Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        EE4J
community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        03/01/2018
12:37 PM
Subject:        Re:
[ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
Sent by:        ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

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Personal view here but my understanding is that it is for the PMC of the
EE4J top level project to decide on the creation of a new sub-project.
 
Again personal view my suggestion is get a bunch of people interested start
prototyping some code, drafting an api etc. Possibly in a sandbox repo
within EE4J. If it gets a level of traction ask the PMC for a formal sub-project.
 
When the new api has reached a level of maturity that it has an agreed
first cut API, TCK and Specs then it would be considered for inclusion
in the future overall Jakarta EE platform by the Working Group.
 
Personally I don’t see the WG getting involved until a level of maturity
is reached. 
 
Others may have a different view as this is still all being worked out.
 
Steve
 
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On Behalf Of John D. Ament
Sent: 01 March 2018 18:18
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
 
While reviewing the charter (btw is there a public link somewhere to the
latest? I only see it via email) I had one question pop up.
 
How do new projects get established for the working groups?
 
Right now we have a slew of projects coming in from the initial donation,
at some point we're going to want to dive into newer technologies. 
Some features may make sense to go into existing projects, but others may
make more sense to start to become their own project; with their own APIs,
specs and TCKs.  Which committees are responsible for reviewing and
establishing these new projects, as well as determining the lines between
two projects?
 
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