RE: [eclipselink-users] Spikes, FOSS JPA 1.0 test framework

[John Leach <john.leach@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Doug and Shaun

In a perfect world both problems would have some significance. In a
pragmatic world of limited resources, and given the 'lightness' of the
problems, I agree that there are better things to do. Neither are critical
from my point of view.

For most developers (well, at least myself), the mailing lists have great
importance as a means of communication, and source of information both for
'correct' implementation ("am I doing things 'the right way'") and for
imperfections in the implementation ("is the software product doing things
'the right way'"). It depends on the programmer, of course, but my personal
ratio is about 90% / 10%, if I'm being pessimistic. 95% / 5% otherwise.

I do not expect perfection. Nice to have, of course, but not expected. It
does help 'the rest of us', however, if these imperfections are documented,
when discovered, so that we don't waste too much time following the
specification, but just skip to workaround mode. So I don't think I'll be
troubling the committers, but I may add a message to
http://www.nabble.com/TopLink-Essentials-f31140.html simply referring to
here for the 233296 bug.

Thank you for explaining your product development strategy so frankly, that
helps outsiders like myself as much as the mailing lists, source code, or
blog articles, that we scavenge so desperately for little nuggets of
information...

As the Italians say - "Buon Lavoro", good work.

John

P.S. Forgive me if I pushed a little hard on this topic. Not trying to break
things, just feeling for the edge.


djclarke wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Shaun and I form the product management team for Oracle TopLink and are by
> nature of that very involved in EclipseLink. All of our developers who
> worked on Oracle TopLink and TopLink Essentials are now focussed on
> EclipseLink. We see it as the replacement for TopLink Essentials as is
> evident by GlassFish replacing Essentials with EclipseLink in V3. TopLink
> Essentials is no longer in active development but just be maintained for
> critical bug fixes.
> 
> If you wish to email the committers on TopLink Essentials directly you can
> use persistence@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
> 
> The real question is, if EclipseLink addresses your issues are they still
> critical issues for TopLink Essentials?
> 
> Doug
> 
>  
> Doug Clarke 
> Director of Product Management, Oracle TopLink 
> Oracle Server Technologies
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Leach [mailto:john.leach@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:29 PM
> To: eclipselink-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [eclipselink-users] Spikes, FOSS JPA 1.0 test framework
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Shaun,
> 
> Thanks for submitting the bug, I appreciate not being told to submit it
> myself. It got my vote. Seems Tim H has had a similar problem, as he
> commented that annotated methods outside the domain class also work 'as
> advertised'. Now you know why I called the project Spikes, prickly little
> devil that it is...
> 
> Now, I had noticed your job title before, and I still have those two
> little
> problems with TopLink Essentials too
> 1. As per EclipseLink bug id=233296, submitted by Shaun
> 2. NPE on a null property specified as optional=false/nullable=false, via
> an
> unexpected (at least to me) call to hashCode()
> 
> Do you know of anyone who works for Oracle on that particular project?
> Perhaps very high up, such as a Principal Product Manager? Seriously
> though,
> is there another list I should talk to?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Shaun Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>>    I didn't have a MappedSuperclass in my example but when I add one, in 
>> as in your example, I get the same problem.  I've filed a bug for this: 
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233296
>> 
>>      Thanks for pointing this out!
>> 
>>          Shaun
>> 
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233296
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>> Shaun Smith | Principal Product Manager, TopLink | +1.905.502.3094
>> Oracle Fusion Middleware
>> 110 Matheson Boulevard West, Suite 100
>> Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5R 3P4
>> 
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