I honestly don't think it matters to
announce Mars + 1 at EclipseCon
It is probably the case that most ppl don't know the current
release name we are going to ship in June, so telling them what
will be the next name probably does not matter. It is not like if
we were going to start a big marketing effort right away.
IMO if we have it for the day after the release, it is soon
enough.
On 02/25/2015 04:31 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
We don’t have time for that do we? We’re only 2 weeks away
from EclipseCon where I believe we wanted to announce the name
(/number).
I’m not sure it’s bad luck. He have had trouble a few times
over the years.
Doug.
It does help, Mike,
thanks. I probably originally heard "commonly used
names", and shorted that in my memory to "common names"
where as in legal terms, it means more "generic names". (Which, still doesn't help
us lay-people much, in being able to judge such things.)
Given Mike's comment that
it was "just bad luck", I still suggest we "restart"
expanding the pool to include "O" and "P" as well as
"N".
Chris, would you mind?
(and, if you can think of how/if to include getting
community feedback on "using the year (or other numeral
instead)" that might be interesting to know. Such as, if
overwhelming support for "just using the year", then ...
perhaps we should consider that more seriously? -- then
again, if lots of "complaints" about the idea, we'd know
not to go down that path.
Thanks,
From:
Mike
Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx,
Date:
02/25/2015
03:40 PM
Subject:
Re:
[eclipse.org-planning-council] Mars+1 Naming Issues
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On 25/02/2015 3:01 PM, David M Williams
wrote:
I also thought, the
reason we tended towards names of people, planets, and
ancient gods was that we were told "common names" can
not be trademarked. Has that changed? Wrong in the first
place? Or, is the "external attorney" judging on a
different criteria? These are not names *we* want to
trademark, right? Would it make a difference if we make
"Eclipse" part of "official name" (such as the "Eclipse
Mars" release) ... and, don't think anyone would say we
could not abbreviate in URLs, etc. to the shorter name
of .../releases/mars (for example). [Mike, feel free to
take these legal questions, off-line, if appropriate.
But, it would help if we had guidance on "types of
names" that were not subject to being trademark ...
unless there really is no such thing.]
We already do make Eclipse part of the official name.
I'm not sure where the impression that common names
cannot be trademarked came from. AFAIK, any name can be
trademarked in a given context.
IANAL but as I understand it, there are basically two
scenarios where we can use a name: (a) no one is using
it, and (b) lot of organizations are using it, so no
single entity has a dominant claim.
I do not believe that there is any useful criteria that
I (or anyone else) can supply on what kind of names to
consider. This year (unlike in the past), every single
name we looked at has strong incumbents using that name.
It's just bad luck.
Hope that helps.
--
Mike Milinkovich
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
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