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Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Javascript: a bug that makes me really sad....
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But we don't see someone stepping up to provide up-to-date JavaScript
support using Xtext or LiClipse either. All I see is the basic tragedy of
the commons issue here combined with the fact that desktop IDE is not what
companies want to invest in right now. Short of radically restructuring
Eclipse Foundation with a higher revenue stream and ability to hire
developers, I don't see a solution here.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Scharf [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:02 AM
To: Konstantin Komissarchik; 'eclipse.org-architecture-council'
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Javascript: a bug that makes
me really sad....
On 2015-06-25 15:58, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
> The architectural council is a misnomer as it has not power to affect
> architectural matters,
> but this isn't even an architectural issue.
You are right, it is not an architectural issue. But maybe the architecture
of the eclipse IDE makes it difficult to provide a solution. I also know
that there are other javascript solutions that are better than this. But
eclipse ships with a project that is essentialy dead since many years.
If JavaScript would be any rarely used language, it would not really matter,
but JavaScript is one of the most important language for many projects.
So, we have tools (Xtext) that can generate IDEs for even obscure DSLs, but
Javascript support is stuck in the last century.
Architecturally we have different worlds for language support, the hand
written ones, the Xtext language support, LiClipse with declarative language
support, Doug with a great idea of jet another Antlr4 based multi language
support etc. Lots of different architectures that compete with each other...
Yes, that is a Bazaar, not a Cathedral but for many users eclipse appears to
be a Cathedral they can download, just to realize that inside there is a
Bazaar. For a Bazaar, little architecture is needed. For a Cathedral,
architecture is vital. Eclipse once started with a great architecture...
Those who know me (hello Doug), know that about once a year, I ask my self,
what does the architectural council have have to do with architecture. But
like every year, I get over it ;-)
Michael
> It's a feature request to support newer versions
> of Javascript. Better Javascript support at Eclipse would be clearly
beneficial, but so far no company has put forth resources on sufficient
scale to achieve this.
>
> - Konstantin
>
> *From:*eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Doug Schaefer
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:43 AM
> *To:* Michael Scharf; eclipse.org-architecture-council
> *Subject:* Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Javascript: a bug that
makes me really sad....
>
> I suppose that's almost an existential question on the role of the
> Eclipse Architecture Council. At times, I feel the projects have too much
power, the power to make decisions that adversely affect the Eclipse product
as a whole. And I'm sure this extends just beyond the IDE.
>
> But Eclipse is built as a meritocracy. And really the only people who
> have the power to change things like this are the ones contributing the
code to that project. We can try and influence them to make the right
decisions, and I think we are in our right to do that. But that would
require the Architecture council be more vocal about technical matters and
earn the respect of the projects so they'll have some incentive to listen.
>
> Doug.
>
> *From: *<eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>> on
> behalf of Michael Scharf <eclipse@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:eclipse@xxxxxxxxx>>
> *Reply-To: *Michael Scharf <eclipse@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:eclipse@xxxxxxxxx>>, Eclipse Architecture Council
> <eclipse.org-architecture-council@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> *Date: *Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 9:30 AM
> *To: *Eclipse Architecture Council
> <eclipse.org-architecture-council@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> *Subject: *[eclipse.org-architecture-council] Javascript: a bug that makes
me really sad....
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am excited about mars being out. But there is a bug,
> that makes me really really sad. The most popular eclipse
> package is JavaEE and it contains JavaScript. But eclipse
> supports only JavaScript 1998.
>
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=223131
>
> The most annoying problem is that modern versions of javascript
> allow keywords if they are part of a data structure:
>
> promise.catch(function(){...});
> var foo {
> default: 42
> }
>
>
>
>
> Many libraries use `throw` and `catch` as methods on objects
> and this causes a lot of errors and the rest of the file cannot
> be parsed.
>
> I know there are a lot of different javascript solutions out
> there that work better than this. But, the out of box experience
> with eclipse is, well suboptimal.
>
> Is there anything the architecture council can do about this?
>
>
> Michael
>
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