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Re: [eclipse-pmc] [cross-project-issues-dev] Proposed schedule for JDK 9
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On 12 May 2015, at 20:42, Carl Anderson wrote:
Max,
For Kepler, WTP created a patch to allow for Java 8 usage. That
patch worked hand-in-hand with the Platform's JDT patch that supported
Java
8. Those were announced at the same time. Developers could download
and
install those, and then use Java 8 to develop artifacts within WTP on
Eclipse Kepler. I would assume that the same would be true for Java 9
and
Eclipse Mars.
These patches was made available the *same week* JDT when GA, right ?
There was *zero* releases available the many months before, right ?
Here is what I recall:
2013-2014:
Many months of Java 8 work solely in JDT and available only to those
able and with time to manually compile/build JDT. No projects in or
outside Eclipse could
actually start developing/testing against Java 8. Meanwhile Intellij and
Netbeans
users was on Java 8 just fine.
Early June 2014:
Java 8 made available in stock JDT.
WTP was not working with it. Neither was m2e.
WTP was done - Thanks Carl.
m2e was not going to happen, unless we (Fred and I from Red Hat) hadn't
stepped in
and done that work.
Mid-June 2014: A completely untested (outside of JDT) Java 8 release was
made that
more by chance than actually direction worked in WTP an m2e.
We (Eclipse) got *ALOT* of flag for not having Java 8 available. And we
still do.
My assumption is that this was even more reasons for users to leave to
another IDE.
...that said overall things worked out, but it was luck.
Especially since the diff (from a tool vendor pov) between
Java 7 and Java 8 is not that big. Sure, we had to get lambda support in
the language
but beyond that it was more or less business as usual.
With Java 9 - this is very different update.
The first one already lifted its head - change in how class loaders
work.
Next is the module system, classes always available is not there
anymore, no tools.jar anymore, possible talks about multi-versioned
jars,
memory flags now failing start of your app instead of just being
resilient ignored.
These things will have a *massive* impact on how plugins and users will
need to interact with
Java compared to previous versions.
If we expect to be able to dump Java 9 support into JDT and expect all
plugins and users setup "just work"
as done with Java 7 to Java 8 then I think we are being rather naive.
And because of these changes being rather intrusive into IDE's we are
again looking at
something that will make it even more relevant for users and heck, even
plugin developers to go
look at intellij and netbeans to actually start work with Java 9.
So yeah, I think it would be disastrous if we cannot find a way to get
earlier Java 9 support
into JDT and the eco-system before the official GA of Java 9.
/max
FWIW,
- Carl Anderson
WTP Build guy
From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: eclipse-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/12/2015 02:27 PM
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [eclipse-pmc] Proposed
schedule
for JDK 9
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
On 12 May 2015, at 13:07, Daniel Megert wrote:
The licenses haven't changed.
Afaik EclipseLink releases from Eclipse.org under same license earlier
or is that wrong ?
This means as with Java 8, we will provide
feature patches that can be installed on top of 4.5.x.
Made available from where ?
How can projects like WTP use these ?
/max
Dani
From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: eclipse-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12.05.2015 12:12
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [eclipse-pmc] Proposed
schedule for JDK 9
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
ICYMI, Java 9 is now releasing September 2016.
I'm less worried about *running* Eclipse on Java 9 than I am about
supporting *developing* Java 9 apps *with* Eclipse.
Any plans on avoiding the issue we had with Java 8 support not being
available in Eclipse until actual Java 8 GA date ?
Other IDE's already has some basic support for developing with Java
9.
/max
Mike Milinkovich
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
+1.613.220.3223
Original Message
From: mark.reinhold@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 12:22 PM
To: jdk9-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Proposed schedule for JDK 9
Here is a proposed schedule for JDK 9:
2015-12-10 Feature Complete
2016-02-04 All Tests Run
2016-02-25 Rampdown Start
2016-04-21 Zero Bug Bounce
2016-06-16 Rampdown Phase 2
2016-07-21 Final Release Candidate
2016-09-22 General Availability
The dates here are meant to leave sufficient time for broad review
and
testing of the significant features of the release, in particular
the
introduction of a module system and the modularization of the
platform,
while maintaining the cadence of shipping a major release about
every
two years.
The milestone definitions are the same as those for JDK 8 [1].
Comments from JDK 9 Committers are welcome, as are reasoned
objections.
If no such objections are raised by 23:00 UTC next Tuesday, 12 May,
or
if they're raised and then satisfactorily answered, then per the JEP
2.0
process proposal [2] this will be adopted as the schedule for JDK 9.
(This information is also available on the JDK 9 Project Page [3]).
- Mark
[1] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk8/milestones#definitions
[2] http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/jep/jep-2.0-02.html
[3] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/
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