Re: [eclipse-dev] Helios Ubuntu support plan

[Bob Morris <morris.bob@xxxxxxxxx>]

The Ubuntu 9.10 incompatibility with Galileo is XXXX and an Ubuntu
release of Galleo was released. Alas 3rd party plugins such as the
ontology editorTopBraidComposer (TBC) use the Galileo release and are
therefore unusable on Ubuntu 9.10, including the standalone
eclipse-based application.  That is because(?) the interaction is
between eclipse and GTK on Ubuntu.  Indeed, if one simply installs
Galileo from eclipse.org, it fails itself with the Ubuntu-fixed bug
(mouse events on buttons are not passed through to eclipse). I don't
know exactly what the Ubuntu Galileo did, but it doesn't ameliorate an
attempt to use the community edition of TBC---and probably the other
victims of the GTK/eclipse conflict.  Worst, in the case at least of
TBC, an attempt to install the plugin directly on an Ubuntu-released
Galileo fails with version conflicts.  I am not very familiar with the
eclipse plugin architecture, but the concern would be that a developer
cannot deploy a single plugin jar that runs on several flavors of
Linux, except possibly in source form.  Targetting Helios at Ubuntu
9.10 definitely will require addressing the GTK(?) conflict, because
it is easily exhibited entirely in Galileo and is so possibly at risk
for this in Helios too.

Because its support ends in September 2010, targeting  9.04 would not
likely meet your laudable goal of supporting enterprise distros.

Bob


> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:38:03 -0500
> From: John Arthorne <John_Arthorne@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [eclipse-dev] Helios Ubuntu support plan
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> You're absolutely right. I was the author of that table and this was my
> mistake. Our intent was certainly to target an LTS release, since we
> target the enterprise releases of RedHat and SUSE Linux and many of our
> users care about enterprise deployment. However when we develop our plans
> we generally target the most recent available release, since targetting a
> release that does not yet exist introduces risk and uncertainty in our
> planning process (this is why for example Java 7 doesn't appear as a
> reference JRE). What I have done is immediately remove the term "LTS" from
> the plan since that's clearly wrong in conjunction with version 9.04. I
> will bring this up at our next planning meeting and give all the component
> teams a chance to comment on whether moving up to 10.4 (or at the very
> least 9.10) is feasible.  Assuming the developers are all comfortable with
> this we can move to 10.4 LTS in our next update of the plan. I know some
> problems were found with Eclipse on 9.10 only near or after the 9.10
> release date, so we might not be able to commit to moving up to Ubuntu
> 10.4 until April or May of this year.
>
> In any case, thanks for pointing this out!
>
> John
>
>
> Robert A. Morris wrote on 02/04/2010 10:44:53 AM:
>
>> My reading of http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?
>> projectid=eclipse#target_environments
>> is that the table author, if not the developers, believe that Ubuntu
>> 9.04 is an Ubuntu Long Term Support release.  It is not. I hope that
>> the table contains
>> a typographical error and that the actual target is Ubuntu 10.4,
>> which \is/ an LTS release, scheduled for April 2010 and surely
>> suitable currently for eclipse 3.6 initial testing soon or even now.
>>
>> Support for Ubuntu 9.04 ends in October 2010, and it would be
>> particularly regrettable if Ubuntu 9.04  is the Helios target.
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