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Re: [e4-dev] Themes for Eclipse 4
Hey Eric,

For example, how would you achieve to style those headers and grid lines in the attached Table?

Thanks
Roger

On Tuesday, 10. July 2012 at 17:33, Eric Moffatt wrote:


Kai / Roger,

We have two different techniques that might help out here...sorry but I'll have to paraphrase the CSS since I'm not truly familiar with the syntax.

For styling 'content' (i.e. the tree control used by the Package Explorer) it's fairly straightforward to define the CSS as 'Tree inside an MPart'. Same idea of course applies to Tables (Problems view, Error Log...) and StyledText (Editors...) This will cover some of the attributes but likely will still have issues with JFace's implementation of the [Styled]LabelProvider...we may need to extend JFace here either by extending its current label providers (if we want to style existing components whose code is not under our control) and / or creating a new CSSLabelProvider for direct use by new code.

For 'native' widgets (i.e. the previously mentioned LabelProvider) we can also *query* the CSS engine to gather up the appropriate values in code and 'apply' them directly. For an example of this look at how the TrimStack's frame is done; the Images are programmatically extracted from the CSS and used in the custom ImageBasedFrame. To see how the mechanics work look at CSSRenderingUtils. This technique is extremely general and should be capable of being used to solve a great many issues as long as we're willing to write the custom code to use it...all the necessary hooks are already in place (such as being able to add a 'Reskin' listener to handle theme switching).

I'm not sure how to handle corner cases such as dialogs, especially 'system' dialogs....again we might want to see what extensions we may need to JFace here.

If you could provide a couple of specific use cases I'd be happy to see if I can rig up a demo of how they might be done.

Thanks for all your attention to this,
Eric


From: "Toedter, Kai" <kai.toedter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 07/10/2012 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Themes for Eclipse 4
Sent by: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx




Hi Roger,
 
> This is one of my main concerns as well. Do we have any chance to style them as well?
Currently I don’t know any solution. I guess the best chance is to contact the SWT guys directly to get their opinion on how to proceed here.
 
Best regards,
 
Kai
 
From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Dudler
Sent: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 16:02
To: E4 Project developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Themes for Eclipse 4
 
Hi Kai,
 
This is one of my main concerns as well. Do we have any chance to style them as well?
 
PS: I've attached a screenshot of the early version.
 
Cheers
Roger

On Tuesday, 10. July 2012 at 15:52, Toedter, Kai wrote:
Roger,
 
Could you please provide a screenshot of your “dark” theme? My main concern is how to deal with native widgets that are not stylable via CSS.
 
Thanks
 
Kai
 
 
From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lars Vogel
Sent: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 15:38
To: E4 Project developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Themes for Eclipse 4
 
Hi Roger,
 
great news! Could you re-share the dark theme which you created? It look to me that it did not survive the forwarding. I assume you are past this point but I have a little Eclipse 4 CSS tutorial here: http://www.vogella.com/articles/Eclipse4CSS/article.html
 
If you do not use it already you should have a look at Brians CSS Spy which is also briefly described in the tutorial.
 
Best regards, Lars
2012/7/10 Eric Moffatt <emoffatt@xxxxxxxxxx>


Roger, I'm really glad for your attention to this ! We'll help out where ever we can...note that neither the SWT CSS bindings nor our use of them are cast in stone, if you see something you think would be useful just let us know and we'll work it out.

We also have the ability to use our CSS implementation as a query engine, able to respond in code with the value it would use for a particular control's CSS state.This has proven very useful when we want CSS control over something that's not intrinsic to any particular SWT widget (the minimized stack's 'frame' is done this way using a utility class called CSSRenderingUtils).  One use that I haven't implemented yet is that we should be able to define images to fill the sash gutters but keep it in mind, we're not strictly limited to the SWT bindings themselves.

If you need anything else just drop me a line...

BTW, I've added the 'e4-dev' list to the CC so that we can move the discussion to a wider auduence...

Onwards,
Eric

From: John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM
To: Roger Dudler <roger.dudler@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bogdan Gheorghe/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, Brian de Alwis <briandealwis@xxxxxxxxx>, Eric Moffatt/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
Date: 07/06/2012 02:09 PM
Subject: Re: Themes for Eclipse 4

 




The dark theme looks great! I'll defer to others for the more technical questions. Some people are on holiday this week so your best bet might be to fire a question to the list and see how is around to answer. Anyway, great stuff. I look forward to seeing more.

John

Roger Dudler <roger.dudler@xxxxxxxxx>

07/06/2012 12:29 PM


To
John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
cc
Bogdan Gheorghe/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, Brian de Alwis <briandealwis@xxxxxxxxx>, Eric Moffatt/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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Re: Themes for Eclipse 4

 







Hey John,

After some hours I managed to create a basic dark theme. It still needs some work for all special properties, but it already looks cool :)

I will continue to work on this dark theme and let you know when it's finished. After I've discovered the necessary set of properties, we can generate themes based on editor color themes on http://eclipsecolorthemes.org. That's a massively requested feature. People will love it :)

I have some questions / comments, maybe you can help:

- Is there a way to get PNG icons with alpha transparency instead of those with the white pixels around them?
- Am I right that many of the CSS definitions don't inherit their styles from parent rules?
- The theme switcher in "Appearance" is a little bit buggy and doesn't reflect the current version of the CSS all the time (not easy to handle, when creating themes)

PS: I signed up to the e4-dev mailing list and will post additional feedback there

Cheers
Roger

On Friday, 6. July 2012 at 15:22, John Arthorne wrote:

Hi Roger,

I have added Bogdan Gheorghe to the CC list, who is our main platform styling expert. There is some reasonable documentation to get started with here:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse4/RCP/CSS
http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/CSS/SWT_Mapping

More questions welcome though. e4-dev would be a good place to ask questions because most of the CSS styling experts hang out there:

http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/e4-dev/

John

Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>

07/06/2012 09:03 AM

 


To
Brian de Alwis <briandealwis@xxxxxxxxx>, Eric Moffatt/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, Roger Dudler <roger.dudler@xxxxxxxxx>
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Fwd: Re: Themes for Eclipse 4

 








Eric, Brian and John,

I would like to introduce you to Roger Dudler.  Roger is one of the co-developers of the very popular Eclipse Color Theme plugin.  Roger is interested in seeing if he could do some Eclipse 4 CSS themes but he is finding the documentation lacking.  :-(

Do you guys know of any examples or pointers Roger could use?   I think it would be a huge win for Eclipse 4 if we could get Roger's plugin to be supporting Eclipse 4 CSS Themes.

Thanks
Ian


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Subject:
Re: Themes for Eclipse 4
Date:
Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:53:53 +0200
From:
Roger Dudler <roger.dudler@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>





Hey,

I'm definitely interested in creating a platform/builder for Eclipse 4 themes. Maybe it might be a good kickstart to just create one really good one by ourself, because I've not found any themes out there yet. It still seems to be difficult or because lack of documentation. I'll look into it and try to create a dark theme based on the new theming css. This is what I can do first. You can support me by sending links/documents about the new theming features for a better start (if you have some secret ones ;).

Cheers
Roger

On Thursday, 5. July 2012 at 20:51, Ian Skerrett wrote:

Roger,

Not sure how much I can contribute but I will certainly help promote any effort to the Eclipse community.

There has been some discussion about have a competition to create different Eclipse 4 themes.   Maybe we can create a community effort to do it?

Ian



On 7/4/2012 3:51 PM, Roger Dudler wrote:
Hey Ian,

We haven't had a talk about Eclipse 4 yet. I'll need to check that with Felix, the other developer. It would be nice to just have an Eclipse 4 version available for all current themes. I'm not sure how easy the mapping will be from the old hundreds of settings to the new ones. Are you interested in contributing to the topic?

Cheers
Roger

On Wednesday, 4. July 2012 at 21:03, Ian Skerrett wrote:

Hi Roger,

Does Eclipse Themes work with Eclipse 4?  Eclipse 4 is a lot easier to create different themes, so I was wondering if you guys have considered doing something specific for Eclipse 4?

I hope things are well.

Ian

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Eclipse Foundation
Tel: 613-224-9461 ext 227
Blog: ianskerrett.wordpress.com
Twitter: IanSkerrett


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Ian Skerrett
VP of Marketing and Ecosystem
Eclipse Foundation
Tel: 613-224-9461 ext 227
Blog: ianskerrett.wordpress.com
Twitter: IanSkerrett

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