RE: [dsdp-tm-dev] TM Update Site is Confusing - Proposed Changes

[Kevin J Doyle <kjdoyle@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Martin,

If the update site is not meant for initial installation why do we advertise
it?  I'm assuming it's the update site that is added when TM is installed
called "Target Management Updates" which can't be edited or removed.
 It sounds like we should have a different update site for installation
and advertise that, if I'm not misunderstanding the sites.

In regards to the duplication of features, with "Filter features included
in other features on the list" selected the services disappear, but
we still have some duplication: Discovery, Unit Tests, Examples, and Remote
C/C++ Debugger.   I was also expecting one set of the services to
stay and the other to be removed.

Thanks,
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Kevin Doyle

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Subject	RE: [dsdp-tm-dev] TM Update Site is Confusing - Proposed Changes

Hi Kevin,
 
the TM update site is not really
meant for initial installation, but for 
automatic updates. For initial
installation, better use the Europa 
or Ganymede site -- this will
resolve dependency problems.
 
With respect to duplication of
features, your confusion might go away when
you untick the "Show latest
version of a feature only" in the Update Manager
Dialog. Then, each of the "TM
and RSE {version}" categories will be complete
in the sense that it lists all
associated features.
 
Regarding your specific proposals:
 
     1.
Have only RSE SDK and RSE Runtime.  
That's done on the Europa and
Ganymede sites. We cannot do it on the TM site,
because the TM site is also used
by Update Manager itself for automatic 
consumption. If just the ftp feature,
for instance, has been updated from 2.0 to
2.0.1 then users who do "Check
for Updates" do not want to install all of the
RSE Runtime just to get the newest
FTP feature. That's why we need to be
that granular on that site.
 
Some of your confusion might go
away when you tick "Filter features included
in other features on the list"
in your Update Manager Dialog.
 
    2. Remove the duplication of
Services/Remote CDT in 2.0.1 and 2.0.2.  Also the duplication of Discovery
across 2.0, 2.0.1 and 2.0.2.

As mentioned above, Update Manager
does that for us. All features would be
duplicated if you didn't have
"Show lates..." ticked. The ones you mention are
duplicated because they were not
changed between the 2.0x releases.
 
     3.
Move Discovery/Remote CDT and perhaps the Terminal to a new update site
called Extras.  This will make it much easier for users who just click
the root node of the update site, as there won't be any dependency problems.
Multiple update sites are a no-no IMHO because it makes resolving dependencies
even harder. As I said, the TM
site is meant for automatic consumption while
the Europa / Ganymede site is
for users.
 
Whate we could do is in additoin
to the site.xml file, provide a site-simple.xml
file which only has a filtered
list of components. I'm torn, however, what that
filter should be like. 
 
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior
Member of Technical Staff, Wind
River
Target Management Project Lead,
DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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