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RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
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Yeah the reasons for putting it in the same editor window were somewhat
ephemeral IMO. In CCS, once you switch into what we call "Mixed Mode"
you are disallowed from editing the code so you pretty much lose most of
the benefit of it being in the editor.
There are a few nice things though. It syncs your cursor position when
you switch back and forth between modes so it's easy to look up the
instructions for a given line of C code and then go back to editing the
C source. Since it's linked to an editor it also picks up the syntax
highlighting from the editor for the C source statements.
The disassembly is refreshed based on changes to target memory but no
round-trip hot swapping of code unfortunately. That *would* be cool :-)
___________________________________________
Chris Recoskie
Software Designer
Texas Instruments, Toronto
http://eclipse.org/cdt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:18 PM
> To: Device Debugging developer discussions
> Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>
> Well, the Using Visual C++ 5 book that I have in front of me right
now,
> copyright 1997, shows their Disassembly View which interleaves source
and
> disassembly.
>
> Mind you it's a view and not an editor. But then, why would you edit
in
> this
> window? Does the assembly get updated based on the source changes you
> make?
> Can you edit the assembly and have the source updated? (That'd be
cool,
> BTW
> :).
>
> What was the original use case again?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
> http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Recoskie, Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:30 PM
> To: Device Debugging developer discussions
> Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>
> I'm guessing the person I was talking to was referring to US patent #
> 6,493,868. Like I said I'm not a patent lawyer so I'm not going to
> comment as to whether or not it is truly applicable or not. It seems
> very broad and I'm not sure of the rules as to how it does or does not
> apply to specific features in IDEs.
>
> Anyway take a look and due your due diligence. It may be a non issue.
>
>
> =====================
>
>
> United States Patent 6,493,868
> DaSilva , et al. December 10, 2002
>
>
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> --------
> Integrated development tool
>
>
> Abstract
> An integrated code development tool, comprising of an editor, a
project
> management and build system, a debugger, a profiler, and a graphical
> data visualization system. The editor is operable to provide a source
> code view which is simultaneously capable of integrating with said
> debugger to provide for stepping through code and setting breakpoints,
> and integrating with the output of said build system to display source
> code interleaved with corresponding assembler code created by said
build
> system.
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> Chris Recoskie
> Software Designer
> Texas Instruments, Toronto
> http://eclipse.org/cdt
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-
> > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Cortell
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:51 AM
> > To: Device Debugging developer discussions
> > Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> >
> > If this is true, it's extremely surprising. Interleaved
> > source/disassemble is a staple in many debuggers. How a company
would
> > go about successfully patenting the implementation of such a feature
> > in an open source product is puzzling, to say the least.
Copyrighting
> > an implementation is one thing; patenting the idea is another story.
> >
> > John
> >
> > At 10:28 AM 5/10/2006, Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> > >A caveat:
> > >
> > >I have heard that TI holds a patent on showing interleaved
> > >source/disassembly in the editor window (but not in other windows,
so
> > >the current Disassembly View does not infringe this patent as I
> > >understand it). I don't think it would be any sort of problem to
get
> > >this patent licensed royalty-free to Eclipse for such a feature,
but
> it
> > >is an IP issue that will have to go through due diligence for sure.
> > >
> > >Disclaimer: I am not a patent lawyer and I have no authority to
> license
> > >the aforementioned patent, if it exists, on behalf of TI.
> > >
> > >___________________________________________
> > >
> > >Chris Recoskie
> > >Software Designer
> > >Texas Instruments, Toronto
> > >http://eclipse.org/cdt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-
> > > > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Cortell
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:19 AM
> > > > To: Device Debugging developer discussions;
> dsdp-dd-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
> > > >
> > > > Ewa,
> > > >
> > > > What are the BV bug numbers? They're not Bugzilla reports from
> what I
> > >can
> > > > tell.
> > > >
> > > > I entered a bugzilla report for "Jump to Line" a while back
> > > >
> > > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=118147
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We are also very interested in mixed disassembler/source mode
> > > > debugging. It seems this would be best implemented if indeed all
> > > > three modes are provided in the editor. Your suggested approach
> seems
> > > > feasible to me; the debugger could generate files on the fly.
The
> > > > trick would be to make that approach look natural to the user,
so
> > > > he's not aware that he's looking at a temporary file.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:46 PM 5/9/2006, Ewa Matejska wrote:
> > > > >Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm soliciting ideas for enhancements to the Editor to improve
> the
> > > > >embedded development experience.
> > > > >
> > > > >Possible ideas are:
> > > > >
> > > > >1. Add the "Jump to Line" option the editor margin menu.
> BV118147.
> > > > >
> > > > >2. Merge the Disassembly view into the Editor. This could be
> > > > >achieved in having a special read-only debug file for each
debug
> > > > >session whose state would toggle between source, disassembly
and
> > > > >mixed in some way. Related bug is BV39644.
> > > > >
> > > > >These ideas will be captured at:
> > > > >http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DSDP/DD/Editor
> > > > >
> > > > >Chris Recoskie, as the lead of the Disassembly View, what do
you
> > > > >think of idea#2?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank You,
> > > > >Ewa.
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