Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

I'm sure your powers that be will tell you we've all been trying that for years. Eclipse doesn't suck enough for that to work, which is a good thing in a way. That's why I hope we can aim at the grassroots people, individual users, who have the skills to help.

Doug.

From: Denis Roy <denis.roy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, 12 July, 2013 6:50 PM
To: "cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

On 07/12/2013 12:25 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:

It is. And I'm sure there are hate sites for every tool people use. Eclipse isn't unique that way.

My point is that user experience is so important to our success, we need to be sensitive to the issues our users are facing. There are a lot of such issues marked WONTFIX, and CDT is as guilty of that as anyone. I'm just wondering how we fix it.

As a committer, I'd be selling the community needs to BigCorp management.  If BigCorp's products are built on Eclipse, and Eclipse comes to have the reputation of "suck", then BigCorp's products will inherit that.  Since the users of today are the managers of tomorrow, these managers won't purchase products that are based on "suck".

I'll do my part here: I think the eclipse.org website (including the Bugzilla UI) is starting to suck, and I've already begun selling the idea to the powers that be.  Not that they need much convincing :)

D.

Doug.

From: Denis Roy <denis.roy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, 12 July, 2013 5:54 PM
To: "cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] FW: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

Actually, I think it is awesome feedback, since there are only a handful of issues that seem to raise the anger levels.

I was able to trace a few of the top items to some old bugs:

File out of sync:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=228039

Line numbers on by default:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=191154


Those bugs are fairly old and both are closed WONTFIX.  It would be interesting if they could be reopened for discussion.

Denis

On 07/12/2013 11:31 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:

http://www.ihateeclipse.com ???

Pretty awesome feedback from our passionate user base.

:D

From: "cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx" <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, 12 July, 2013 5:29 PM
To: Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of dead"???.

From: Alex Lagarde

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 11:25 AM

To: cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx

Subject: [Doug on the Eclipse CDT] New comment on "Eclipse smells kind of
dead"???.

Alex Lagarde has left a new comment on your post ""Eclipse smells kind of dead"???":

Interesting post. Maybe even worst than bugzillas that get no answer are general complaints about Eclipse/Projects that never were raised as issues. That's why this Website, as painfull as it is, provides very interesting feedback http://www.ihateeclipse.com/

We may have to think about a better way for end-user to raise such "feelings" (maybe an amazon-like rating system which would allow to very quickly rate from 0 to 5 stars a feature or a project).



Posted by Alex Lagarde to Doug on the Eclipse CDT at 4:25 PM GMT+1