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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Policy for examples - and sdk's


Randy, what are you suggesting?  We are mostly focusing on "runtimes" right now ... and what should be in them, and what should not be in them (and that seems hard enough!)  

I think you are saying there is more than a "runtime vs. sdk" dimension"?  So for projects like GEF there'd be, 'runtimes', 'sdk', and 'live, workbench modifying examples'?

I definitely agree that no one's UI should be polluted by unwanted examples!   I would like to think that even "workbench modifying examples" could be "enabled" or "disabled", without "installing" or "uninstalling" whole features ... is that not the case?



Pascal, are the "examples" you are talking about the ones under "New" > "Examples ..."?   From a quick read, the VE ones I see there seem appropriate for someone using VE to create visual layouts -- but .. I couldn't get them to run, so not real sure what they are :)  [Or .. maybe you are talking about those AWT and Swing ones ... he he]

I'll remind everyone that issues such as these are part of what "the callisto effort" is for, IMHO  ... where Eclipse projects have different needs and defintions of things like "examples" ... some of which I'm sure are valid ... and others maybe we can improve consistency.

As far as I know, the only avenues to resolve these issues, are discussions here, and bugs open on the projects you think could be improved  (For example, see 130695    :)   -- projects have agreed to "make best effort" to improve the "all working together experience" .. but .. it is still up to the projects to prioritize and budget along with the rest of their needs and priorities.






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I disagree on the "extender" examples.  The Eclipse Project and the GEF Project have always kept such examples separate. I think it makes sense to allow experienced clients to download just the "SDK", and NOT have it pollute the UI with wizards, action sets, and bogus editors for common file types (e.g. xml). It's also a smaller download, if all I am trying to do is step through your code in the debugger.


Also, I think some commercial products have install options which include "SDK" features instead of just the runtimes.


-Randy




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This helps. We now need to have those guidelines followed by all the callisto projects :-)

The example I had in mind at the time was VE, where I don't think the examples bring any particular value to the user.


PaScaL


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I suspect the answer is entirely who the auidenance is ... if for "end user" then good policy to be part of "runtime" (which also includes "user doc" (from a callisto point of view ... doesn't mean that under the covers it might be in a seperate feature/plugin, for those that literally want just some minimum runtime).

But if for an "extender", then ... SDK. (and source and ISV doc included with SDK).

And in general, I think from Callisto's point of view ... should just be "runtimes" and "SDKs" ... with the biggest distinction being the audience of "end users" vs. "extenders" .. but, I'm sure, there's fuzzy areas.


Does this help? Have any examples in mind? (is that a pun?)





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Having played around with the content from the callisto site, I would like to know what is the policy for projects to make their examples available:

- are they coming in the "runtime" feature?

- are they part of the SDK feature?

- are they coming separetly?


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