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Re: [cn4j-alliance] [External] : Perspectives on technical relationship
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My personal view is pretty aligned with Dmitry's here and hasn't really changed from a blog I put out 18 months ago.
https://blog.payara.fish/microprofile-and-jakarta-ee-technical-alignment
To summarise;
move MP specs to Jakarta namespace for MP 5.0;
retain MP as a brand and a profile under Jakarta EE
profile projects work with their own brand, cadence and backwards compatibility rules.
Failing that, if we have to retain two governance structures, I'm pretty much aligned with David's view.
Steve
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From: cn4j-alliance <cn4j-alliance-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Dmitry Kornilov
Sent: 11 August 2021 12:18
To: Discussions on formation of a CN4J Alliance with the MicroProfile Working Group <cn4j-alliance@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cn4j-alliance] [External] : Perspectives on technical relationship
Below is my personal opinion.
It's hard to separate two standardization efforts in the same area. This separation is artificial, doesn't bring advantages to any of the parties and doesn't make sense in general. Instead of separation we should join these two efforts together. It will save us a lot of time which we can use more productively.
- Move MicroProfile project under Jakarta keeping all committers. Use it as an incubator for new and fast evolving specifications.
- Use Jakarta specification process. It's well established and proven to work.
- Move all MicroProfile specs to jakarta namespace. It's the most painful step. But MP 5.0 is going to adopt jakartified versions of Jakarta EE specifications anyway. If this change is done at the same time the pain will be significantly reduced.
- Keep MicroProfile brand.
- Keep MicroProfile platform.
Thanks,
Dmitry
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From: cn4j-alliance <cn4j-alliance-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of David Blevins
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:43 AM
To: cn4j-alliance@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [External] : [cn4j-alliance] Perspectives on technical relationship
I thought it might be useful for each of us to write our perspective on how we see the two projects align technically in principle.
The high-level Tomitribe perspective is basically:
- We see Jakarta EE as the brand behind which we can offer more stability to customers. We see MicroProfile as the brand behind which we can address parts of the market that are volatile.
- We've deliberately not created anything in MicroProfile that would compete with Java EE (now Jakarta EE). All specs are complimentary. We'd like to see this "no duplication" and "no competing" principle last and be bi-directional.
- We are happy to see specifications move from MicroProfile to Jakarta as needed. The Jakarta version of the spec would be under `jakarta`. The MicroProfile version would cease to be developed, but could still be shipped as frozen for a period of time.
None of the above should be confused with innovation. We don't see that innovation stops on a spec, regardless of where it is in its lifecycle.
It's really more about volatility of emerging sections of our industry where things are created and obsoleted quickly. By definition you can't create a stable spec on something that is itself unstable. In the past we did all of this under one brand and that has its own set of disadvantages and risks.
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