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Re: [cn4j-alliance] MP apis and "graduation" to Jakarta EE

Totally understood. I will coordinate. I think you have already contributed quite a bit. Let's have a few others do their part too.

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From: Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2/3/21 5:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Discussions on formation of a CN4J Alliance with the MicroProfile Working Group <cn4j-alliance@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cn4j-alliance] MP apis and "graduation" to Jakarta EE

Hi Reza,

Sorry, I am running behind. I think it is a good idea to get Arjan and Edwin or maybe others to create a survey or blog post etc to move forward. Besides, it is great to get more people involved. I am happy to contribute to the effort if needed. I will try to create a few slides to take to the CN4J discussion in due course.

Thanks
Emily

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:31 PM reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Emily,

Just wanted to quickly check - are you working on moving the analysis forward in the form of a blog post and survey? I l know a couple of other folks like Arjan and Edwin had an interest in moving it forward and engaging the broader community as well.

No hurry of course!

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 1/24/21 5:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Discussions on formation of a CN4J Alliance with the MicroProfile Working Group <cn4j-alliance@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cn4j-alliance] MP apis and "graduation" to Jakarta EE

Thank you Reza for expressing your thoughts constructively! I've merged most of your contents to mine. Please check to see whether I missed anything. Let's continue the discussion on this doc. I've tweeted about this doc. As a consequence, I have restricted the edit access right. You can still comment on it. I plan to run a twitter poll towards the end of next week. Thoughts?

Thanks
Emily

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:53 AM Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Emily/others,

I began making my changes but feared my changes may be a bit too much. So I created a temporary copy here and made my changes there: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YnI5bYkFiDeoB5iOXHcKPLt_ngVArP7yV9sEU_Smp4g/edit?usp=sharing. I hope that is understandable.

What I tried to do is make the options clearer to the average user so they may be able to understand the trade-offs a bit more easily. I also tried to be as inclusive and objective as possible (although I think that is difficult for most). If the changes seem OK, it may be best to just merge the two documents (I guess I am mostly looking for Emily to do that).

I hope this helps. I think the analysis as it stands is in good shape.

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

On 1/21/2021 1:08 PM, Emily Jiang wrote:
You're right Emily. Thanks for answering, and I agree mostly with that. 

There's of course an advantage to not changing the package, but there's obviously also an advantage (IMHO) to do change them.

Kind regards,
Arjan
Thank you Arjan! Yes, I agree none of the options is perfect.

+1 Reza! I have taken a shot of creating this doc. I listed some options there with cons/pros. Everyone should be able to add their opinion with con/pro there.
Thanks
Emily

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 4:11 PM Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think it would be helpful to write some of this down in a pro/con format. I think that could help inform further discussion that may not take place here and also help inform all the developers out there. If no one else wants to take that up, I can.

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

On 1/21/21 11:05 AM, arjan tijms wrote:
Hi,

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:25 PM Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Arjan,

Sadly we cannot rewrite the history. Since now we have two package names, there is not much value to change the namespace again. Besides, MP and Jakarta are working together under CN4J towards a full stack of Cloud Native foundation. There should be no superiority comparison between them but the collaboration and acceptance.

You're right Emily. Thanks for answering, and I agree mostly with that. 

There's of course an advantage to not changing the package, but there's obviously also an advantage (IMHO) to do change them.

Kind regards,
Arjan


 

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