Re: [cdt-dev] Fwd: [epp-dev] Juno M5 packages

[Mike Wilson <Mike_Wilson@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't want to derail this conversation. It's a good one. I will say though that the "this look is uglier than that one" argument is _old_news_ in this community. We had *many* more people complaining about the 2.x -> 3.0 look and feel changes than we have seen this time. There are also lots of people who like the new look too (just like there was the last time). In any case, one of the goals of 4.x was to make the UI *more* configurable, so if you'd like to see us change something, start by going and tweaking the CSS file to see if you can get what you want. Anything that can be changed at that level, we can definitely consider accepting.

Bugs are a different issue, however. We've done what we believe is a reasonable triaging of the open bugs and ended up with approximately 100 that need to be fixed before release. If we can get those under control, I think the quality will be comparable to the experience you get with 3.x.

McQ.

Doug Schaefer ---2012/02/03 13:51:56---:). I agree with that sentiment. At this stage of the game, Eclipse

From:	Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx>
To:	"CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:	2012/02/03 13:51
Subject:	Re: [cdt-dev] Fwd: [epp-dev] Juno M5 packages

---

:). I agree with that sentiment. At this stage of the game, Eclipse
can really use a UI makeover to modernize it's look and feel. e4 came
with a great programming model that promises to make that easier, but
we truly lack UI design contributions to Eclipse. So, no, I don't
think there is any such work planned for 4.2, if at all at the moment.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Sergey Prigogin
<eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 4.2 is not only buggy, but the UI looks ugly. Do you know if any UI designer
> work is planned for 4.2?
>
> -sergey
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> The plan has always to ship the Eclipse C/C++ IDE in Juno with the 4.2
>> platform. In theory CDT could be used with both 3.8 and 4.2, but the
>> package at eclipse.org will be 4.2.
>>
>> Now, there is a subplot to this all. As McQ announced recently, the
>> platform UI team is low on staff and this plan is in jeopardy. That's
>> why finding these bugs is so important right now, so we can assess how
>> good 4.2 is going to be and to see if these issues get addressed (and
>> help get them addressed if you have the time/expertise to help). They
>> are still committed to 4.2, but I am worried about it.
>>
>> But, yes, as I stated a few weeks ago here, please use 4.2 as your dev
>> environment for CDT master (which will likely be CDT 9 - should make
>> that call too I suppose).
>>
>> Doug.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM, xgsa <xgsa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > I cannot find the actual information, will Eclipse 3.8 (with CDT) be
>> > released? Or just 4.2?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Anton
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> >>
>> >> Marc-Andre is right.  E4 currently has some limitations
>> >> that affect the CDT quite much.  The E4 team is pretty responsive
>> >> when we let them know of the issues, so it will be important
>> >> to report our issues.
>> >>
>> >> For example, cutomizing perspectives is not supported right now,
>> >> which prevents some features of CDT from being accessed altogether:
>> >>  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=320478
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 2:06 AM
>> >>> To: CDT General developers list.
>> >>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Fwd: [epp-dev] Juno M5 packages
>> >>>
>> >>> I highly recommend that people test it. I only tested it for a very
>> >>> short time and already found 3 issues.
>> >>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=331444
>> >>>
>> >>> Marc-Andre
>> >>>
>> >>> On 02/02/2012 1:30 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And here is the link for the Juno M5 C/C++ IDE candidate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me know
>> >>>>
>> >>>> if you find any serious problems.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Doug.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>> From: Markus Knauer<mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Date: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:58 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [epp-dev] Juno M5 packages
>> >>>> To: EPP Developer Mailing List<epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> here is the second release to be tested, this time it's the
>> >>>
>> >>> EPP build
>> >>>>
>> >>>> for Juno M5:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> http://build.eclipse.org/technology/epp/epp_build/juno/downloa
>> >>> d/20120202-1517/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please test and vote... :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Markus
>> >>>>
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