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| RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387286] |
Sat, 16 October 2004 14:08  |
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Hi,
I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that connects
to a database for its datasource?
If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
know of any sample projects?
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387291 is a reply to message #387286] |
Sat, 16 October 2004 22:09  |
 Chris Gross
Messages: 471
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I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors. We've
had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
features available to you.
The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support. As
any database application, we have alot of features that require a
data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the swt
newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
I don't know of any sample projects.
-Chris
"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
> applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
> but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that connects
> to a database for its datasource?
>
> If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
> know of any sample projects?
>
>
>
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387296 is a reply to message #387291] |
Sun, 17 October 2004 11:46 |
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
success.
Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
like hibernate?
2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
file?
Cheers mate
Chris wrote:
> I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
> good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors. We've
> had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
> sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
> features available to you.
> The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support. As
> any database application, we have alot of features that require a
> data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
> rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
> had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the swt
> newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
> I don't know of any sample projects.
> -Chris
> "Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
> > applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
> > but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that connects
> > to a database for its datasource?
> >
> > If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
> > know of any sample projects?
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387297 is a reply to message #387296] |
Sun, 17 October 2004 15:08 |
Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009 |
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1.) We are using our own custom DAO layer (on top of JDBC) in one app and
hibernate in another. Both work well and really our decision which to use
wasn't really affected by Eclipse.
2.) Sure, we had to implement all the save/update/saveas methods. These
just go against our DAO layer or hibernate. The base editor functionality
is generic enough that no file-ism poke through. We've never encountered an
issue with some eclipse class or interface being file specific (as long as
you stay away from the resources stuff).
-Chris
"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:cktm2v$16b$1@eclipse.org...
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
> success.
>
> Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
>
> 1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
> like hibernate?
> 2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
> the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
> based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
> file?
>
> Cheers mate
>
> Chris wrote:
>
>> I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
>> good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors.
>> We've
>> had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
>> sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
>> features available to you.
>
>> The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support.
>> As
>> any database application, we have alot of features that require a
>> data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
>> rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
>> had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the
>> swt
>> newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
>
>> I don't know of any sample projects.
>
>> -Chris
>
>
>> "Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
>> > applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
>> > but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that
>> > connects
>> > to a database for its datasource?
>> >
>> > If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
>> > know of any sample projects?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387342 is a reply to message #387297] |
Sun, 17 October 2004 22:51 |
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Thanks,
Your making me feel more confident all the time :) i'm just about to dive
head long into leading a major rewrite of a commercial application and my
recommendation is going to be Eclipse RCP framework with hibernate.
Still haven't decided where to store my application logic (e.g. business
logic), especially if i wanted to get reuse of some of my logic from a Web
Application. I had been thinking about tying Eclipse to Spring (with
hibernate) but i can't find anybody else out there doing anything similar
to validate my design.
Best refrence project i've found to date is
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geneapro which uses Eclipse / hibernate,
but doesn't use editors, only views.
I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
integration with Spring / Hibernate.
> 1.) We are using our own custom DAO layer (on top of JDBC) in one app and
> hibernate in another. Both work well and really our decision which to use
> wasn't really affected by Eclipse.
> 2.) Sure, we had to implement all the save/update/saveas methods. These
> just go against our DAO layer or hibernate. The base editor functionality
> is generic enough that no file-ism poke through. We've never encountered an
> issue with some eclipse class or interface being file specific (as long as
> you stay away from the resources stuff).
> -Chris
> "Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:cktm2v$16b$1@eclipse.org...
> > Chris,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
> > success.
> >
> > Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
> >
> > 1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
> > like hibernate?
> > 2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
> > the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
> > based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
> > file?
> >
> > Cheers mate
> >
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> >> I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
> >> good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors.
> >> We've
> >> had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
> >> sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
> >> features available to you.
> >
> >> The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support.
> >> As
> >> any database application, we have alot of features that require a
> >> data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
> >> rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
> >> had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the
> >> swt
> >> newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
> >
> >> I don't know of any sample projects.
> >
> >> -Chris
> >
> >
> >> "Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
> >> > applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
> >> > but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that
> >> > connects
> >> > to a database for its datasource?
> >> >
> >> > If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
> >> > know of any sample projects?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387344 is a reply to message #387342] |
Mon, 18 October 2004 07:35 |
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Originally posted by: opthomas.xtra.co.nz
Matthew,
Many of the patterns and projects such as hibernate have originated from
Web Based Applications. As someone who has done both Client Server and
Web development each has their particular strength. If you are going to
go with an RCP based application is it going to be deployed via Java Web
Start. If it is an internal only application consider that an ORM layer
might add a level of complexity where a straight JDBC connection is
quicker and simpler. Remember that all you are now going to be
transferring is data and not extra GUI information. Is a Web Service
layer applicable? Your data can now be stored on the client and when
updating large volumes you only have to send back to the database the
data that has changed.
Owen
Matthew Easlea wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Your making me feel more confident all the time :) i'm just about to dive
> head long into leading a major rewrite of a commercial application and my
> recommendation is going to be Eclipse RCP framework with hibernate.
>
> Still haven't decided where to store my application logic (e.g. business
> logic), especially if i wanted to get reuse of some of my logic from a Web
> Application. I had been thinking about tying Eclipse to Spring (with
> hibernate) but i can't find anybody else out there doing anything similar
> to validate my design.
>
> Best refrence project i've found to date is
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/geneapro which uses Eclipse / hibernate,
> but doesn't use editors, only views.
>
> I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
> quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
> integration with Spring / Hibernate.
>
>
>>1.) We are using our own custom DAO layer (on top of JDBC) in one app and
>>hibernate in another. Both work well and really our decision which to use
>>wasn't really affected by Eclipse.
>>2.) Sure, we had to implement all the save/update/saveas methods. These
>>just go against our DAO layer or hibernate. The base editor functionality
>>is generic enough that no file-ism poke through. We've never encountered an
>>issue with some eclipse class or interface being file specific (as long as
>>you stay away from the resources stuff).
>
>
>>-Chris
>
>
>>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:cktm2v$16b$1@eclipse.org...
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
>>>success.
>>>
>>>Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
>>>
>>>1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
>>>like hibernate?
>>>2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
>>>the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
>>>based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
>>>file?
>>>
>>>Cheers mate
>>>
>>>Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
>>>>good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors.
>>>>We've
>>>>had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
>>>>sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
>>>>features available to you.
>>>
>>>>The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support.
>>>>As
>>>>any database application, we have alot of features that require a
>>>>data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
>>>>rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
>>>>had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the
>>>>swt
>>>>newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
>>>
>>>>I don't know of any sample projects.
>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
>>>>>applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
>>>>>but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that
>>>>>connects
>>>>>to a database for its datasource?
>>>>>
>>>>>If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
>>>>>know of any sample projects?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387352 is a reply to message #387348] |
Mon, 18 October 2004 15:04 |
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Couldn't agree more.
But i guess RCP is still really very early on in its development cycle,
most people todate have only thought of using Eclipse as an IDE, or using
standalone SWT. If we're going to change the perception of Eclipse to be
more Production Strength Rich Client Environment than it will take a few
good examples from the community. For instance, i am aiming for a GUI
application that will be deployed to 1000s of clients, each with different
databases, the ability to use XML services and plugin to various ERPs such
as SAP etc. It would be even nicer if i'm able to reuse some of the
Business Logic in a web application. Thus I think spring provides the
perfect concept for a Business logic layer in eclipse, but the work in
creating, testing and documenting a standard Eclipse RCP -> Spring
framework is nontrivial.
> Matthew Easlea wrote:
> > I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
> > quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
> > integration with Spring / Hibernate.
> I totaly agree with you. In .NET-Camp there are already different
> applications demonstrating the best practice usring the .NET-Framework.
> See the following link for more informations:
> http://www.windowsforms.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabi d=3
> I think the community should build an application showing the best way to
> integrate the RCP-Platform with Hibernate, Spring and components from the
> Jakarta Commons Project (Looging, Configuration,etc...).
> Regards
> Mohamed
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387353 is a reply to message #387344] |
Mon, 18 October 2004 15:06 |
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Thanks Owen,
I know i might be getting myself into more trouble than its worth with
hibernate, but the application that i'm need to deploy will be going to
many clients around the world, each with potentially different database
systems. The webservice layer intrigues me, and i was hoping to use a
framework such as spring to abstract Database / Web Service implementation
details in to a Business Logic Layer.
Owen Thomas wrote:
> Matthew,
> Many of the patterns and projects such as hibernate have originated from
> Web Based Applications. As someone who has done both Client Server and
> Web development each has their particular strength. If you are going to
> go with an RCP based application is it going to be deployed via Java Web
> Start. If it is an internal only application consider that an ORM layer
> might add a level of complexity where a straight JDBC connection is
> quicker and simpler. Remember that all you are now going to be
> transferring is data and not extra GUI information. Is a Web Service
> layer applicable? Your data can now be stored on the client and when
> updating large volumes you only have to send back to the database the
> data that has changed.
> Owen
> Matthew Easlea wrote:
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Your making me feel more confident all the time :) i'm just about to dive
> > head long into leading a major rewrite of a commercial application and my
> > recommendation is going to be Eclipse RCP framework with hibernate.
> >
> > Still haven't decided where to store my application logic (e.g. business
> > logic), especially if i wanted to get reuse of some of my logic from a Web
> > Application. I had been thinking about tying Eclipse to Spring (with
> > hibernate) but i can't find anybody else out there doing anything similar
> > to validate my design.
> >
> > Best refrence project i've found to date is
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/geneapro which uses Eclipse / hibernate,
> > but doesn't use editors, only views.
> >
> > I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
> > quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
> > integration with Spring / Hibernate.
> >
> >
> >>1.) We are using our own custom DAO layer (on top of JDBC) in one app and
> >>hibernate in another. Both work well and really our decision which to use
> >>wasn't really affected by Eclipse.
> >>2.) Sure, we had to implement all the save/update/saveas methods. These
> >>just go against our DAO layer or hibernate. The base editor functionality
> >>is generic enough that no file-ism poke through. We've never encountered
an
> >>issue with some eclipse class or interface being file specific (as long as
> >>you stay away from the resources stuff).
> >
> >
> >>-Chris
> >
> >
> >>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >>news:cktm2v$16b$1@eclipse.org...
> >>
> >>>Chris,
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
> >>>success.
> >>>
> >>>Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
> >>>
> >>>1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
> >>>like hibernate?
> >>>2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
> >>>the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
> >>>based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
> >>>file?
> >>>
> >>>Cheers mate
> >>>
> >>>Chris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
> >>>>good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors.
> >>>>We've
> >>>>had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
> >>>>sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
> >>>>features available to you.
> >>>
> >>>>The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support.
> >>>>As
> >>>>any database application, we have alot of features that require a
> >>>>data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
> >>>>rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
> >>>>had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the
> >>>>swt
> >>>>newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
> >>>
> >>>>I don't know of any sample projects.
> >>>
> >>>>-Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >>>>news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
> >>>>>applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
> >>>>>but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that
> >>>>>connects
> >>>>>to a database for its datasource?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
> >>>>>know of any sample projects?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387404 is a reply to message #387353] |
Tue, 19 October 2004 06:10 |
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Originally posted by: opthomas.xtra.co.nz
Replace hibernate with Axis or WebSphere (quite expensive) to run as a
web services server.
Then you can return an XML document which is just your data set. It wont
matter where in the world you are.
As an example of an XML document being displayed in a TreeViewer object
search in the swt newsgroup for sender 'owen thomas' or the title 'Re:
Sample JFace TreeViewer snippet code'. Works very well and is very
simple. I had an example somewhere that used JDOM (my preference for xml
manipulation). The principal for Putting XML into a TableViewer is
pretty much the same.
There is no reason why after the initial download of the application the
majority of the data could not be stored in local caches whether you use
a file system object or even Cloudscape (IBM - Open Source - very small
database). Would then work for offline as well.
If you do need to provide a web layer as well there is always the option
of transforming the data using xslt to generate html pages or if you're
brave enough to try it XUL (mozilla).
Owen
Matthew Easlea wrote:
> Thanks Owen,
>
> I know i might be getting myself into more trouble than its worth with
> hibernate, but the application that i'm need to deploy will be going to
> many clients around the world, each with potentially different database
> systems. The webservice layer intrigues me, and i was hoping to use a
> framework such as spring to abstract Database / Web Service implementation
> details in to a Business Logic Layer.
>
> Owen Thomas wrote:
>
>
>>Matthew,
>
>
>>Many of the patterns and projects such as hibernate have originated from
>>Web Based Applications. As someone who has done both Client Server and
>>Web development each has their particular strength. If you are going to
>>go with an RCP based application is it going to be deployed via Java Web
>>Start. If it is an internal only application consider that an ORM layer
>>might add a level of complexity where a straight JDBC connection is
>>quicker and simpler. Remember that all you are now going to be
>>transferring is data and not extra GUI information. Is a Web Service
>>layer applicable? Your data can now be stored on the client and when
>>updating large volumes you only have to send back to the database the
>>data that has changed.
>
>
>>Owen
>
>
>>Matthew Easlea wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Your making me feel more confident all the time :) i'm just about to dive
>>>head long into leading a major rewrite of a commercial application and my
>>>recommendation is going to be Eclipse RCP framework with hibernate.
>>>
>>>Still haven't decided where to store my application logic (e.g. business
>>>logic), especially if i wanted to get reuse of some of my logic from a Web
>>>Application. I had been thinking about tying Eclipse to Spring (with
>>>hibernate) but i can't find anybody else out there doing anything similar
>>>to validate my design.
>>>
>>>Best refrence project i've found to date is
>>>http://sourceforge.net/projects/geneapro which uses Eclipse / hibernate,
>>>but doesn't use editors, only views.
>>>
>>>I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
>>>quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
>>>integration with Spring / Hibernate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>1.) We are using our own custom DAO layer (on top of JDBC) in one app and
>>>>hibernate in another. Both work well and really our decision which to use
>>>>wasn't really affected by Eclipse.
>>>>2.) Sure, we had to implement all the save/update/saveas methods. These
>>>>just go against our DAO layer or hibernate. The base editor functionality
>>>>is generic enough that no file-ism poke through. We've never encountered
>
> an
>
>>>>issue with some eclipse class or interface being file specific (as long as
>>>>you stay away from the resources stuff).
>>>
>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:cktm2v$16b$1@eclipse.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for taking the time to reply and i'm glad to hear your having some
>>>>>success.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now it comes down to the nitty gritty questions :)
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Do you connect directly to your DB using JDBC, or go through a ORM tool
>>>>>like hibernate?
>>>>>2) You use Eclipse editors to modify entities, did you have to implement
>>>>>the saveas functions etc. The editor functionality seems to be very file
>>>>>based, and i'm wondering if its a lot of work to use a DB instead of a
>>>>>file?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers mate
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm managing a project that is exactly that. We're not done, but making
>>>>>>good progress. We're using forms almost exclusively in our editors.
>>>>>>We've
>>>>>>had a very good experience so far. There is a big learning curve, to be
>>>>>>sure, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be paid back by all the
>>>>>>features available to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The one area that we've constantly grappled with is grid/table support.
>>>>>>As
>>>>>>any database application, we have alot of features that require a
>>>>>>data-entry-like, easily navigatable, editable table. The swt table is
>>>>>>rather limited and we've found ourselves looking for alternatives. We've
>>>>>>had some luck with a component called ATable that someone posted on the
>>>>>>swt
>>>>>>newsgroup. We've also used the swing JTable as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know of any sample projects.
>>>>>
>>>>>>-Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Matthew Easlea" <measlea@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:ckra02$ah9$1@eclipse.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm wondering if anybody out there is creating Eclipse 3.0 RCP
>>>>>>>applications, using all the new funky features like Forms, Editors etc,
>>>>>>>but not using the resources plugins. So an RCP application that
>>>>>>>connects
>>>>>>>to a database for its datasource?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If so, how did you go about it and was it a positive experience? Do you
>>>>>>>know of any sample projects?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387406 is a reply to message #387352] |
Tue, 19 October 2004 08:30 |
Mike Evans
Messages: 237
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi Matthew,
I think I'm joining this conversation a little late.
My RCP app is Forms / Hibernate based.
I like the Gui results - check www.incremental.eu.com to see if you agree.
However I am most pleased about my decision to use Hibernate.
I code against a Hibernate-persisted domain model that gets me as close
to database independence as I believe is currently possible. I am
developing against MS SQLServer (the most likely db of my potential
clients) but an Ant parameter change allows me to deploy against any
other Hibernate-supported database. Currently I have tested against
MySQL and HSQLDB - with no problems.
One has to be a little careful to keep Hibernate completely generic -
and the use of Hibernate does affect your domain model (no matter what
is written elsewhere) - but the advantages are great.
Note HSQLDB (http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/) is fantastic - a driver URL
change allows you to select between different run modes from remote
server through to embedded in the app's VM.
Hence my application can run standalone or in its more normal
client-server mode with only config changes. Great for demo versions.
Mike E.
Matthew Easlea wrote:
> Couldn't agree more.
>
> But i guess RCP is still really very early on in its development cycle,
> most people todate have only thought of using Eclipse as an IDE, or using
> standalone SWT. If we're going to change the perception of Eclipse to be
> more Production Strength Rich Client Environment than it will take a few
> good examples from the community. For instance, i am aiming for a GUI
> application that will be deployed to 1000s of clients, each with different
> databases, the ability to use XML services and plugin to various ERPs such
> as SAP etc. It would be even nicer if i'm able to reuse some of the
> Business Logic in a web application. Thus I think spring provides the
> perfect concept for a Business logic layer in eclipse, but the work in
> creating, testing and documenting a standard Eclipse RCP -> Spring
> framework is nontrivial.
>
>
>>Matthew Easlea wrote:
>
>
>>>I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
>>>quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
>>>integration with Spring / Hibernate.
>
>
>>I totaly agree with you. In .NET-Camp there are already different
>>applications demonstrating the best practice usring the .NET-Framework.
>>See the following link for more informations:
>
>
>> http://www.windowsforms.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabi d=3
>
>
>>I think the community should build an application showing the best way to
>>integrate the RCP-Platform with Hibernate, Spring and components from the
>>Jakarta Commons Project (Looging, Configuration,etc...).
>
>
>>Regards
>>Mohamed
>
>
>
--
Mike Evans
Incremental Ltd.
www.incremental.eu.com
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387960 is a reply to message #387406] |
Thu, 21 October 2004 03:54 |
| Eclipse User |
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|
Originally posted by: matthew.easlea.ozemail.com.au
Hi Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to confirm that there are some other serious
users of RCP with Hibernate out there.Your app looks great and proves that
RCP / Hibernate is viable :) Now i just gotta figure out how to do it, i
don't seem to be able to find any sample projects / open source projects to
learn from.
I've had some basic success getting Hibernate up and running, i've been able
to access DAO objects that the Hibernate Syncronizer plugin created for me
and present the data in a form.
However there is a lot of framework construction that needs to be done, and
i feel i'm reinventing the wheel. For instance i need to be able to allow
the user to connect to any database, and be able to store the
hibernate.cfg.xml file somewhere (at the moment i have it in my src
directory). I'm also finding it difficult to map my DAO objects to
Structured Providers and Label Providers for consumption by TreeViews and
Tables.
I've been using HSQL a bit and i'm pretty impressed, your right it will be
good for demos.
Cheers
"Mike Evans" <mike.evans@incremental.eu.com> wrote in message
news:cl2j1b$q9v$1@eclipse.org...
> Hi Matthew,
>
> I think I'm joining this conversation a little late.
> My RCP app is Forms / Hibernate based.
> I like the Gui results - check www.incremental.eu.com to see if you agree.
> However I am most pleased about my decision to use Hibernate.
> I code against a Hibernate-persisted domain model that gets me as close
> to database independence as I believe is currently possible. I am
> developing against MS SQLServer (the most likely db of my potential
> clients) but an Ant parameter change allows me to deploy against any
> other Hibernate-supported database. Currently I have tested against
> MySQL and HSQLDB - with no problems.
> One has to be a little careful to keep Hibernate completely generic -
> and the use of Hibernate does affect your domain model (no matter what
> is written elsewhere) - but the advantages are great.
> Note HSQLDB (http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/) is fantastic - a driver URL
> change allows you to select between different run modes from remote
> server through to embedded in the app's VM.
> Hence my application can run standalone or in its more normal
> client-server mode with only config changes. Great for demo versions.
>
> Mike E.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Easlea wrote:
>
> > Couldn't agree more.
> >
> > But i guess RCP is still really very early on in its development cycle,
> > most people todate have only thought of using Eclipse as an IDE, or
using
> > standalone SWT. If we're going to change the perception of Eclipse to be
> > more Production Strength Rich Client Environment than it will take a few
> > good examples from the community. For instance, i am aiming for a GUI
> > application that will be deployed to 1000s of clients, each with
different
> > databases, the ability to use XML services and plugin to various ERPs
such
> > as SAP etc. It would be even nicer if i'm able to reuse some of the
> > Business Logic in a web application. Thus I think spring provides the
> > perfect concept for a Business logic layer in eclipse, but the work in
> > creating, testing and documenting a standard Eclipse RCP -> Spring
> > framework is nontrivial.
> >
> >
> >>Matthew Easlea wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
> >>>quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
> >>>integration with Spring / Hibernate.
> >
> >
> >>I totaly agree with you. In .NET-Camp there are already different
> >>applications demonstrating the best practice usring the .NET-Framework.
> >>See the following link for more informations:
> >
> >
> >> http://www.windowsforms.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabi d=3
> >
> >
> >>I think the community should build an application showing the best way
to
> >>integrate the RCP-Platform with Hibernate, Spring and components from
the
> >>Jakarta Commons Project (Looging, Configuration,etc...).
> >
> >
> >>Regards
> >>Mohamed
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Mike Evans
> Incremental Ltd.
> www.incremental.eu.com
|
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| Re: RCP, Forms and Database Acces [message #387971 is a reply to message #387960] |
Thu, 21 October 2004 06:50 |
Mike Evans
Messages: 237
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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|
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I found it more flexible not to use a hibernate.cfg.xml file and instead
to pro grammatically configure Hibernate's Configuration.
This allowed me to use standard preference pages to change db
connections (see the screenshot for an early example).
Cannot offer any advice on the Synronizer plugin as have never tried it.
Mapping DAO to the GUI models is grunt work, I know.
Mike E.
Matthew Easlea wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to confirm that there are some other serious
> users of RCP with Hibernate out there.Your app looks great and proves that
> RCP / Hibernate is viable :) Now i just gotta figure out how to do it, i
> don't seem to be able to find any sample projects / open source projects to
> learn from.
>
> I've had some basic success getting Hibernate up and running, i've been able
> to access DAO objects that the Hibernate Syncronizer plugin created for me
> and present the data in a form.
>
> However there is a lot of framework construction that needs to be done, and
> i feel i'm reinventing the wheel. For instance i need to be able to allow
> the user to connect to any database, and be able to store the
> hibernate.cfg.xml file somewhere (at the moment i have it in my src
> directory). I'm also finding it difficult to map my DAO objects to
> Structured Providers and Label Providers for consumption by TreeViews and
> Tables.
>
> I've been using HSQL a bit and i'm pretty impressed, your right it will be
> good for demos.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> "Mike Evans" <mike.evans@incremental.eu.com> wrote in message
> news:cl2j1b$q9v$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>Hi Matthew,
>>
>>I think I'm joining this conversation a little late.
>>My RCP app is Forms / Hibernate based.
>>I like the Gui results - check www.incremental.eu.com to see if you agree.
>>However I am most pleased about my decision to use Hibernate.
>>I code against a Hibernate-persisted domain model that gets me as close
>>to database independence as I believe is currently possible. I am
>>developing against MS SQLServer (the most likely db of my potential
>>clients) but an Ant parameter change allows me to deploy against any
>>other Hibernate-supported database. Currently I have tested against
>>MySQL and HSQLDB - with no problems.
>>One has to be a little careful to keep Hibernate completely generic -
>>and the use of Hibernate does affect your domain model (no matter what
>>is written elsewhere) - but the advantages are great.
>>Note HSQLDB (http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/) is fantastic - a driver URL
>>change allows you to select between different run modes from remote
>>server through to embedded in the app's VM.
>>Hence my application can run standalone or in its more normal
>>client-server mode with only config changes. Great for demo versions.
>>
>>Mike E.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Matthew Easlea wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Couldn't agree more.
>>>
>>>But i guess RCP is still really very early on in its development cycle,
>>>most people todate have only thought of using Eclipse as an IDE, or
>
> using
>
>>>standalone SWT. If we're going to change the perception of Eclipse to be
>>>more Production Strength Rich Client Environment than it will take a few
>>>good examples from the community. For instance, i am aiming for a GUI
>>>application that will be deployed to 1000s of clients, each with
>
> different
>
>>>databases, the ability to use XML services and plugin to various ERPs
>
> such
>
>>>as SAP etc. It would be even nicer if i'm able to reuse some of the
>>>Business Logic in a web application. Thus I think spring provides the
>>>perfect concept for a Business logic layer in eclipse, but the work in
>>>creating, testing and documenting a standard Eclipse RCP -> Spring
>>>framework is nontrivial.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matthew Easlea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
>>>>>quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
>>>>>integration with Spring / Hibernate.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I totaly agree with you. In .NET-Camp there are already different
>>>>applications demonstrating the best practice usring the .NET-Framework.
>>>>See the following link for more informations:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.windowsforms.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabi d=3
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think the community should build an application showing the best way
>
> to
>
>>>>integrate the RCP-Platform with Hibernate, Spring and components from
>
> the
>
>>>>Jakarta Commons Project (Looging, Configuration,etc...).
>>>
>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Mohamed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Mike Evans
>>Incremental Ltd.
>>www.incremental.eu.com
>
>
>
--
Mike Evans
Incremental Ltd.
www.incremental.eu.com
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Originally posted by: measlea.ozemail.com.au
Mike,
I couldn't agree more that the Mapping DAO to the GUI models is grunt
work, there needs to be some tools, template generatators and framework
classes that help us manage this better. Perhaps integration with the
Eclipse EMF modelling. I've seem they are doing some nice work on
building RCP editors from EMF models, but the code generations seems to be
file based and wouldn't be suitable for storing the large number of
account codes required in a financial system.
The Database preferences page is a wonderful idea, although ultimately
i'll be looking for a screen on RCP startup that popsup - asking for
username, password and host (server / db etc) to connect to.
All in all, perhaps a sourceforge project mapping eclipse RCP to Hibernate
(and perhaps Spring :) is something the community should investigate.
Cheers mate,
Mike Evans wrote:
> I found it more flexible not to use a hibernate.cfg.xml file and instead
> to pro grammatically configure Hibernate's Configuration.
> This allowed me to use standard preference pages to change db
> connections (see the screenshot for an early example).
> Cannot offer any advice on the Synronizer plugin as have never tried it.
> Mapping DAO to the GUI models is grunt work, I know.
> Mike E.
> Matthew Easlea wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to confirm that there are some other serious
> > users of RCP with Hibernate out there.Your app looks great and proves that
> > RCP / Hibernate is viable :) Now i just gotta figure out how to do it, i
> > don't seem to be able to find any sample projects / open source projects
to
> > learn from.
> >
> > I've had some basic success getting Hibernate up and running, i've been
able
> > to access DAO objects that the Hibernate Syncronizer plugin created for me
> > and present the data in a form.
> >
> > However there is a lot of framework construction that needs to be done, and
> > i feel i'm reinventing the wheel. For instance i need to be able to allow
> > the user to connect to any database, and be able to store the
> > hibernate.cfg.xml file somewhere (at the moment i have it in my src
> > directory). I'm also finding it difficult to map my DAO objects to
> > Structured Providers and Label Providers for consumption by TreeViews and
> > Tables.
> >
> > I've been using HSQL a bit and i'm pretty impressed, your right it will be
> > good for demos.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > "Mike Evans" <mike.evans@incremental.eu.com> wrote in message
> > news:cl2j1b$q9v$1@eclipse.org...
> >
> >>Hi Matthew,
> >>
> >>I think I'm joining this conversation a little late.
> >>My RCP app is Forms / Hibernate based.
> >>I like the Gui results - check www.incremental.eu.com to see if you agree.
> >>However I am most pleased about my decision to use Hibernate.
> >>I code against a Hibernate-persisted domain model that gets me as close
> >>to database independence as I believe is currently possible. I am
> >>developing against MS SQLServer (the most likely db of my potential
> >>clients) but an Ant parameter change allows me to deploy against any
> >>other Hibernate-supported database. Currently I have tested against
> >>MySQL and HSQLDB - with no problems.
> >>One has to be a little careful to keep Hibernate completely generic -
> >>and the use of Hibernate does affect your domain model (no matter what
> >>is written elsewhere) - but the advantages are great.
> >>Note HSQLDB (http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/) is fantastic - a driver URL
> >>change allows you to select between different run modes from remote
> >>server through to embedded in the app's VM.
> >>Hence my application can run standalone or in its more normal
> >>client-server mode with only config changes. Great for demo versions.
> >>
> >>Mike E.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Matthew Easlea wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Couldn't agree more.
> >>>
> >>>But i guess RCP is still really very early on in its development cycle,
> >>>most people todate have only thought of using Eclipse as an IDE, or
> >
> > using
> >
> >>>standalone SWT. If we're going to change the perception of Eclipse to be
> >>>more Production Strength Rich Client Environment than it will take a few
> >>>good examples from the community. For instance, i am aiming for a GUI
> >>>application that will be deployed to 1000s of clients, each with
> >
> > different
> >
> >>>databases, the ability to use XML services and plugin to various ERPs
> >
> > such
> >
> >>>as SAP etc. It would be even nicer if i'm able to reuse some of the
> >>>Business Logic in a web application. Thus I think spring provides the
> >>>perfect concept for a Business logic layer in eclipse, but the work in
> >>>creating, testing and documenting a standard Eclipse RCP -> Spring
> >>>framework is nontrivial.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Matthew Easlea wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>I think the eclipse community needs to come together and build a best
> >>>>>quality RCP demonstration application showing methodologies for
> >>>>>integration with Spring / Hibernate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I totaly agree with you. In .NET-Camp there are already different
> >>>>applications demonstrating the best practice usring the .NET-Framework.
> >>>>See the following link for more informations:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.windowsforms.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabi d=3
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I think the community should build an application showing the best way
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>>integrate the RCP-Platform with Hibernate, Spring and components from
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>Jakarta Commons Project (Looging, Configuration,etc...).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>Mohamed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Mike Evans
> >>Incremental Ltd.
> >>www.incremental.eu.com
> >
> >
> >
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