| SWT Has outgrown the Eclipse cocoon. [message #58818] |
Sun, 12 October 2003 11:46  |
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Originally posted by: derisor.arcor.de
SWT has become the alternative GUI framework for developing Java applications.
Unfortunately though, it is still buried inside eclipse as an embedded part.
However, there are many people wanting to use SWT that don't even use eclipse,
such as those using VAJ or JBuilder or Together. However, to download it you
have to go spelunking in the download page and find it under the download for
each release of Eclipse. I think this process needs to change.
I think SWT needs to have its own project with its own release schedule, project
goals, contributors and so on. It needs to be a completely separate subproject
and no longer wound so close to eclipse. If it doesn't make this change, it wont
grow and become better, faster, and more powerful. It will merely remain as a
hanger-on to Eclipse. I think that would be a shame given its potential.
-- Robert
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| Re: SWT Has outgrown the Eclipse cocoon. [message #59720 is a reply to message #58818] |
Tue, 11 November 2003 08:35  |
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Originally posted by: bculp2001.yahoo.com
Robert Simmons wrote:
> SWT has become the alternative GUI framework for developing Java
applications.
> Unfortunately though, it is still buried inside eclipse as an embedded part.
> However, there are many people wanting to use SWT that don't even use
eclipse,
> such as those using VAJ or JBuilder or Together. However, to download it you
> have to go spelunking in the download page and find it under the download for
> each release of Eclipse. I think this process needs to change.
> I think SWT needs to have its own project with its own release schedule,
project
> goals, contributors and so on. It needs to be a completely separate
subproject
> and no longer wound so close to eclipse. If it doesn't make this change, it
wont
> grow and become better, faster, and more powerful. It will merely remain as a
> hanger-on to Eclipse. I think that would be a shame given its potential.
> -- Robert
SWT should be submitted to the JCP and accepted as part of Java if it is
to grow. Is there any reason that it hasnt been already given its
potential?
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| Re: SWT Has outgrown the Eclipse cocoon. [message #59792 is a reply to message #59720] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 09:44 |
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Originally posted by: bob.news.gmx.net
"Bill Culp" <bculp2001@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:boq70c$qfc$1@eclipse.org...
> Robert Simmons wrote:
>
> > SWT has become the alternative GUI framework for developing Java
> applications.
> > Unfortunately though, it is still buried inside eclipse as an embedded
part.
> > However, there are many people wanting to use SWT that don't even use
> eclipse,
> > such as those using VAJ or JBuilder or Together. However, to download
it you
> > have to go spelunking in the download page and find it under the
download for
> > each release of Eclipse. I think this process needs to change.
>
> > I think SWT needs to have its own project with its own release
schedule,
> project
> > goals, contributors and so on. It needs to be a completely separate
> subproject
> > and no longer wound so close to eclipse. If it doesn't make this
change, it
> wont
> > grow and become better, faster, and more powerful. It will merely
remain as a
> > hanger-on to Eclipse. I think that would be a shame given its
potential.
>
> > -- Robert
>
> SWT should be submitted to the JCP and accepted as part of Java if it is
> to grow. Is there any reason that it hasnt been already given its
> potential?
Politics. Sun is unlikely to support Swing, AWT *and* SWT. Think about
what "eclipse" means...
robert
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| Re: SWT Has outgrown the Eclipse cocoon. [message #595973 is a reply to message #58818] |
Tue, 11 November 2003 08:35 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: bculp2001.yahoo.com
Robert Simmons wrote:
> SWT has become the alternative GUI framework for developing Java
applications.
> Unfortunately though, it is still buried inside eclipse as an embedded part.
> However, there are many people wanting to use SWT that don't even use
eclipse,
> such as those using VAJ or JBuilder or Together. However, to download it you
> have to go spelunking in the download page and find it under the download for
> each release of Eclipse. I think this process needs to change.
> I think SWT needs to have its own project with its own release schedule,
project
> goals, contributors and so on. It needs to be a completely separate
subproject
> and no longer wound so close to eclipse. If it doesn't make this change, it
wont
> grow and become better, faster, and more powerful. It will merely remain as a
> hanger-on to Eclipse. I think that would be a shame given its potential.
> -- Robert
SWT should be submitted to the JCP and accepted as part of Java if it is
to grow. Is there any reason that it hasnt been already given its
potential?
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| Re: SWT Has outgrown the Eclipse cocoon. [message #595993 is a reply to message #59720] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 09:44 |
 Robert Klemme
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009 |
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"Bill Culp" <bculp2001@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:boq70c$qfc$1@eclipse.org...
> Robert Simmons wrote:
>
> > SWT has become the alternative GUI framework for developing Java
> applications.
> > Unfortunately though, it is still buried inside eclipse as an embedded
part.
> > However, there are many people wanting to use SWT that don't even use
> eclipse,
> > such as those using VAJ or JBuilder or Together. However, to download
it you
> > have to go spelunking in the download page and find it under the
download for
> > each release of Eclipse. I think this process needs to change.
>
> > I think SWT needs to have its own project with its own release
schedule,
> project
> > goals, contributors and so on. It needs to be a completely separate
> subproject
> > and no longer wound so close to eclipse. If it doesn't make this
change, it
> wont
> > grow and become better, faster, and more powerful. It will merely
remain as a
> > hanger-on to Eclipse. I think that would be a shame given its
potential.
>
> > -- Robert
>
> SWT should be submitted to the JCP and accepted as part of Java if it is
> to grow. Is there any reason that it hasnt been already given its
> potential?
Politics. Sun is unlikely to support Swing, AWT *and* SWT. Think about
what "eclipse" means...
robert
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