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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #55636 is a reply to message #55451] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 10:20   |
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Originally posted by: scheglov_ke.nlmk.ru
Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com> wrote:
> I don't see too much benefit in that - but what I *would* love to see
> would be a decent C# editor in Eclipse, along the lines of JDT. Eclipse
> stomps on VS.NET in my opinion, but when developing C# I basically
> don't have many options :(
Why at all write IDE for one language on other? Who need this?
Developer of such IDE should have good knowledge of Java and have
wish to programm on C#. Why in this case don't write IDE on C#?..
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SY, Konstantin.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #55773 is a reply to message #55636] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 11:07 |
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Originally posted by: n.czempin.printcom.deutschepost.de
Konstantin Scheglov wrote:
> Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com> wrote:
> > I don't see too much benefit in that - but what I *would* love to see
> > would be a decent C# editor in Eclipse, along the lines of JDT. Eclipse
> > stomps on VS.NET in my opinion, but when developing C# I basically
> > don't have many options :(
> Why at all write IDE for one language on other? Who need this?
> Developer of such IDE should have good knowledge of Java and have
> wish to programm on C#. Why in this case don't write IDE on C#?..
Because writing the whole IDE infrastructure from scratch in C# is a
little more involved than just to write a plug-in. You'd simply get
results more quickly. Using the Eclipse (or any other, say NetBeans)
platform lets you concentrate on the business logic that is unique, rather
than reinvent the wheel every time.
There are people that know and use more than one language.
When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #55800 is a reply to message #55773] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 11:53 |
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Originally posted by: scheglov_ke.nlmk.ru
Nicolai Czempin <n.czempin@printcom.deutschepost.de> wrote:
>> Developer of such IDE should have good knowledge of Java and have
>> wish to programm on C#. Why in this case don't write IDE on C#?..
> Because writing the whole IDE infrastructure from scratch in C# is a
> little more involved than just to write a plug-in. You'd simply get
> results more quickly. Using the Eclipse (or any other, say NetBeans)
> platform lets you concentrate on the business logic that is unique, rather
> than reinvent the wheel every time.
Yes, I am aware of infrastructure. But develop in Java to create
IDE for C#... If you like C#, programming in Java is not so funny ;-)
I.e. if you already changed your mind and want to program in C#...
> There are people that know and use more than one language.
> When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
I know :-)
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SY, Konstantin.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #56039 is a reply to message #55636] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 13:41 |
 Jon Skeet
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Konstantin Scheglov <scheglov_ke@nlmk.ru> wrote:
> > I don't see too much benefit in that - but what I *would* love to see
> > would be a decent C# editor in Eclipse, along the lines of JDT. Eclipse
> > stomps on VS.NET in my opinion, but when developing C# I basically
> > don't have many options :(
> Why at all write IDE for one language on other? Who need this?
People who don't care what language the IDE is written in, but want to
develop in a specific language. As a *user*, I couldn't care less what
language an IDE is written in, so long as it does what I want it to do.
If I want to enhance it, add plugins etc, that's a different matter.
How many Eclipse users do you think have written plugins, compared with
those who just write Java code in it?
> Developer of such IDE should have good knowledge of Java and have
> wish to programm on C#. Why in this case don't write IDE on C#?..
Why should I have to switch IDEs when I switch languages? I write in
both Java and C# on a daily basis - and I'd rather not have to change
from one IDE to another in order to do so.
Presumably you think the CDT project is silly as well, given your
reasoning?
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Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #56146 is a reply to message #56066] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 14:04 |
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Originally posted by: scheglov_ke.nlmk.ru
Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com> wrote:
>> I.e. if you already changed your mind and want to program in C#...
> Who says programming in C# requires you changing your mind? You seem to
> be assuming that people will only program in one language.
Ok, I understand you.
I use myself Java and C++, but just have belief, that IDE for "big"
language should be written on itself.
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SY, Konstantin.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #56168 is a reply to message #56039] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 14:09 |
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Originally posted by: scheglov_ke.nlmk.ru
Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com> wrote:
> Why should I have to switch IDEs when I switch languages? I write in
> both Java and C# on a daily basis - and I'd rather not have to change
> from one IDE to another in order to do so.
> Presumably you think the CDT project is silly as well, given your
> reasoning?
Ok, may be I wrong.
Lets finish on this point.
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SY, Konstantin.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #56272 is a reply to message #56146] |
Fri, 30 May 2003 16:57 |
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Originally posted by: n.czempin.printcom.deutschepost.de
Konstantin Scheglov wrote:
> Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> I.e. if you already changed your mind and want to program in C#...
> > Who says programming in C# requires you changing your mind? You seem to
> > be assuming that people will only program in one language.
> Ok, I understand you.
> I use myself Java and C++, but just have belief, that IDE for "big"
> language should be written on itself.
It is quite simple: In this newsgroup, most people are not only using
Eclipse, but even extending it. So we discuss all sorts of extensions, and
if someone wants to code a C# plug-in, he will definitely want to come
here.
But if you want to code a C# IDE to develop C#, go ahead. If there's the
itch, scratch it. There are good reasons to do so, not the least being
that you'll learn a *lot* about C# programming. Kent Beck says in "TDD"
that whenever he wants to learn a new language, he codes the *unit
framework for it (even when it already exists). I'm sure once you have
some basic functionality going, other people will join you.
But posting to the "eclipse.platform" newsgroup telling people to do
something else, IMHO, a bit pointless. Especially when your only argument
is a "belief" that not everyone shares.
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #57355 is a reply to message #55610] |
Sat, 31 May 2003 10:42 |
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Originally posted by: genadyb.inter.net.il
If I understand you correctly, it is possible to write a C# plugin for
eclipse in C# ?
Genady
Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
> Zjy wrote:
>
>> there's a port of swt to c#,someone interesting to port eclipse to c#?
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> Actually, Eclipse already runs on .NET and/or mono. Thanks to the ikvm
> project (http://weblog.ikvm.net/) and Zoltan Varga
> (http://www.nexus.hu/vargaz/). The IKVM dynamically compiles Java
> bytecode to CIL (the .NET bytecode thingy). There's no need for a C#
> version of Eclipse. The whole idea of .NET is, that different
> (although sematically similar) languages can interoperate.
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> But who cares on which VM Eclipse runs... a C#-DT similar to the JDT
> would be a great thing. It should have the same incremental compiling
> technology. And the best thing would be, if that compiler could still
> generate Java bytecode ;)
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>
> bye
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #58269 is a reply to message #58194] |
Sun, 01 June 2003 20:57 |
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Johan Compagner wrote:
> i agree with konstantin,
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> It will be the same question all over again. And eventually
> the IDE that will be used with C# will be written in C(#)
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> Why?
> Easy, why do we use Eclipse now written in java? Because everybody
> wanted a IDE for java that was Written in java.
>
> There was already a complete framework which was basicly the same thing
> as eclipse but then written in Smalltalk. (Visual Age series)
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> Now that is overtaken by eclipse because everybody wanted a IDE for java
> to be written in java. So eventually with the next general purpose language
> the same thing will happen.
>
But then why there's developed CDT in/for Eclipse?
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Stanimir
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| Re: Port eclipse to c# [message #58927 is a reply to message #58194] |
Mon, 02 June 2003 12:30 |
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Johan Compagner wrote:
> Why?
> Easy, why do we use Eclipse now written in java? Because everybody
> wanted a IDE for java that was Written in java.
>
No, I use Eclipse because it is written in a common cross-platform
which makes it available on such wide variety of systems. I wouldn't
mind developing C# applications using Eclipse if it gives all the
tools I need, no matter Eclipse itself is written in Java. Of course
writting an IDE for C# in C# could be easier but that's not the
point of the Eclipse idea - a generic cross-platform environment
extended with the necessary tools where needed.
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Stanimir
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