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 Re: Editor usage [message #23024 is a reply to message #22981] |
Fri, 28 November 2008 05:19   |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Igor Jacy Lino Campista wrote:
> Hi there,
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> I'm looking to use the Eclipse Babel Project Messages Editor bundled in
> a X eclipse distribution. As it is in incubator stage, is it feasible to
> be used from legal point? (I have read the missing features and still
> find it usable)
It is. The incubator state means that the API may change without
warning, and that of course the project is incubating.
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> All Eclipse projects have the EPL license. Is this the same case for
> this nice editor?
Yes. Actually before anything makes it to the Eclipse CVS, it has to be
approved by Eclipse, and that includes going through the Eclipse IP process.
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> As well, currently, I can build the plugins, but is there any place
> where to get the build of them? Or is it just enough to build them, and
> include the EPL text inside the jar?
Yes, there is no build. My company used to offer the messages editor as
part of third-party distribution. You can just build them, make sure the
EPL license file is present in your distribution (just having it in the
feature folder is enough), and you can ship.
Of course, IANAL, just a guy who took down your path, so please take
those comments as an advice, not an absolute guarantee.
Thanks,
Antoine
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| Re: Editor usage [message #23066 is a reply to message #22981] |
Fri, 28 November 2008 17:33 |
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Hi Igor/All,
Thanks a lot for bringing that up before I mentioned it for a different
reason.
Mine was the ESE talks and discussions with leading Eclipse products
like JFire brought to light, that not only do they currently ship and
maintain the entire "Pascal" code (the basis for the editor, not written
in Pascal ;-) in their own project. They found a brilliant way of
combining it with Eclipse BIRT for reporting i18n.
The BIRT project leads and contributors also know about that. So both
JFire and probably much more BIRT would highly profit from a reusable
production quality (and properly licensed ;-) Babel Editor.
From my understanding, the word "Message" seems a little restrictive
btw, since it is more "Content" or "Resources" (maybe without the
Bundle) it truly edits, but I would not bother about wording right now
(I'm not a lawyer, I just want the "shit" to work and unlike some
companies I prefer it to work as proper and reliable as we can get to ;-)
As mentioned earlier, even Microsoft's Tim Wagner was interested in
Babel and the general idea of Content Localization through projects like
it. So the Message/Resource Editor provided as a Babel Feature to others
like BIRT may just be the first step towards that.
Others including what a i18n and Globalization Expert from Berlin has
archived using ICU4J and XLIFF may lead too far here, but he would also
enjoy helping us with Babel if invited to.
I was told, I have to pay their whole week conference fee at DevoXX, but
I guess I'll nevertheless use the opportunity to talk about Babel again
on Dec 11th.
I don't suppose Eclipse or IBM has a budget for that (@Kit) ?;-)
Werner
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| Re: Editor usage [message #575774 is a reply to message #22981] |
Fri, 28 November 2008 05:19 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Igor Jacy Lino Campista wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking to use the Eclipse Babel Project Messages Editor bundled in
> a X eclipse distribution. As it is in incubator stage, is it feasible to
> be used from legal point? (I have read the missing features and still
> find it usable)
It is. The incubator state means that the API may change without
warning, and that of course the project is incubating.
>
> All Eclipse projects have the EPL license. Is this the same case for
> this nice editor?
Yes. Actually before anything makes it to the Eclipse CVS, it has to be
approved by Eclipse, and that includes going through the Eclipse IP process.
>
> As well, currently, I can build the plugins, but is there any place
> where to get the build of them? Or is it just enough to build them, and
> include the EPL text inside the jar?
Yes, there is no build. My company used to offer the messages editor as
part of third-party distribution. You can just build them, make sure the
EPL license file is present in your distribution (just having it in the
feature folder is enough), and you can ship.
Of course, IANAL, just a guy who took down your path, so please take
those comments as an advice, not an absolute guarantee.
Thanks,
Antoine
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| Re: Editor usage [message #575796 is a reply to message #22981] |
Fri, 28 November 2008 17:33 |
| Eclipse User |
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Hi Igor/All,
Thanks a lot for bringing that up before I mentioned it for a different
reason.
Mine was the ESE talks and discussions with leading Eclipse products
like JFire brought to light, that not only do they currently ship and
maintain the entire "Pascal" code (the basis for the editor, not written
in Pascal ;-) in their own project. They found a brilliant way of
combining it with Eclipse BIRT for reporting i18n.
The BIRT project leads and contributors also know about that. So both
JFire and probably much more BIRT would highly profit from a reusable
production quality (and properly licensed ;-) Babel Editor.
From my understanding, the word "Message" seems a little restrictive
btw, since it is more "Content" or "Resources" (maybe without the
Bundle) it truly edits, but I would not bother about wording right now
(I'm not a lawyer, I just want the "shit" to work and unlike some
companies I prefer it to work as proper and reliable as we can get to ;-)
As mentioned earlier, even Microsoft's Tim Wagner was interested in
Babel and the general idea of Content Localization through projects like
it. So the Message/Resource Editor provided as a Babel Feature to others
like BIRT may just be the first step towards that.
Others including what a i18n and Globalization Expert from Berlin has
archived using ICU4J and XLIFF may lead too far here, but he would also
enjoy helping us with Babel if invited to.
I was told, I have to pay their whole week conference fee at DevoXX, but
I guess I'll nevertheless use the opportunity to talk about Babel again
on Dec 11th.
I don't suppose Eclipse or IBM has a budget for that (@Kit) ?;-)
Werner
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