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Will app isolation be supported in one Workbench (like tabs in Chrome)? [message #349]

Thu, 25 September 2008 09:39

Marton Sigmond

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Registered: July 2009
Location: Hungary

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Hi,

we are about to write an application suite, where a set of applications
would appear in the same workbench. Each of them would have a tab on the
top, and each should run in the process of its own.

It would be similar to Google Chrome in a sense that in Chrome the content
of each tab is provided by the process of its own.

Is there any design plans for supporting this via the Isolation API?
http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=121

Is there any other solution/plan to achieve this?

Thanks for any comment!

Regards,
Marton

(I posted the same question on the rcp forum, when I was redirected to
this forum.
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=32986&g roup=eclipse.platform.rcp#32986)

Best Regards,
Marton Sigmond
Senior Software Engineer

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Re: Will app isolation be supported in one Workbench (like tabs in Chrome)? [message #354 is a reply to message #349]

Thu, 25 September 2008 21:36

Boris Bokowski

Messages: 272
Registered: July 2009

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"Marton Sigmond" <marton_sigmond@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fa6841e11226ad64c1c938d3b1e3703f$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> we are about to write an application suite, where a set of applications
> would appear in the same workbench. Each of them would have a tab on the
> top, and each should run in the process of its own.
>
> It would be similar to Google Chrome in a sense that in Chrome the content
> of each tab is provided by the process of its own.
>
> Is there any design plans for supporting this via the Isolation API?
> http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=121

I tried to find out more about this JSR and ended up at:
http://altair.cs.oswego.edu/pipermail/isolate-interest/2004- December/000226.html
It looks like that JSR was never implemented in any of the widely used JVMs.
But maybe I am missing something?

> Is there any other solution/plan to achieve this?

We don't currently plan on supporting multiple processes under one UI (like
e.g. Google Chrome), but e4 is going to be what we make it, and we'd be more
than happy to have you on board if you want to work on something like this.

I would like to see e4 support client/server applications, so one idea would
be to have a pretty thin layer of UI that's running in a shared VM, talking
to n servers that could be running as separate processes (or on separate
machines). There hasn't been much progress on this aspect yet, but as we
start looking at how we could support web-based Eclipse apps, we will
definitely have to solve the client/server problem in some way.

Boris

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Re: Will app isolation be supported in one Workbench (like tabs in Chrome)? [message #377 is a reply to message #354]

Sun, 23 November 2008 16:21

Werner Keil

Messages: 1087
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

I'd be happy to find out more about this since I'm in the JCP EC (SE/EE)
from Dec 2nd, too.

It sounds like Sun may have invested less time into it, but if one of
the next 2 JDKs (P4 won't happen in 2009 either as Galileo is dubbed
3.5?) goes a road that looks like massive OSGi in it somehow (check
Glassfish, Spring dm and of course Eclipse ;-) then even libraries like
that could become relevant or usable in some way.

Also others like a Java Application Framework (296) were proposed, but I
cannot say, if the recent focus on JavaFX vs. Swing gives this JSR good
chances of survival?;-)
In the end much of what JSR-296 proposes is not so different from
building blocks of Eclipse, so E4 certainly won't need much of 296, I'd
rather say the contrary ;-)

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