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[Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1567438]

Fri, 16 January 2015 11:04

Eike Stepper

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Dear Oomph Users,

I'm proud to present the new Oomph Installer with the following
major enhancements:

1) In addition to the traditional 5 pages Eclipse-style installer
wizard there's now a fancier "Simple Mode". It allows the
installation of Eclipse products with just two simple pages that my
granny should be able to use

You can switch between the two modes with the button in the upper right corner (lower left corner if you're in advanced mode).

2) Both installer modes now offer Java VM selection / management. To
make sure that the installed products are reliably executable the
installer offers you a choice of installed JAVA virtual machines
that satisfy the requirements of the selected product. Available VMs
are discovered natively and can also be configured manually:

The "Search..." button helps to find all VMs under a local
folder and if the needed VM cannot be found the "Download..." button
brings you to web page at Eclipse.org like this one:
http://download.eclipse.org/oomph/jre/?vm=1_1_7_0_64_0&pn=Eclipse%20IDE%20for%20Eclipse%20Committers%20(unreleased%20before%20Mars)

3) The installer downloads for Windows (both 32 and 64 bit) are now
signed self-extracting executables. Not only do they free you from
using an extra unzip tool before you can run the installer, they
also makes sure that the installer itself will run with an adequate
VM (see above).

Please give the new installer a try:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Oomph_Installer

All feedback is more than welcome!
Cheers
/Eike

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/Eike

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1573014 is a reply to message #1567438]

Mon, 19 January 2015 13:26

Daniel Brenner

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I was trying to use the new installer. The first look was interesting, but after I clicked on the tooling icon I get the "old" view of the installer and I don't know how I come back to the new view. So the test was canceled.

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1573109 is a reply to message #1573014]

Mon, 19 January 2015 14:42

Ed Merks

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Daniel,

The advanced installer's toolbar buttons (long the bottom) have a button
(with the same icon as the simple view and hover text "Switch to simple
mode") for switching to the simple view. Therefore you can switch back
and forth easily

On 19/01/2015 2:26 PM, Daniel Brenner wrote:
> I was trying to use the new installer. The first look was interesting,
> but after I clicked on the tooling icon I get the "old" view of the
> installer and I don't know how I come back to the new view. So the
> test was canceled.

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691208 is a reply to message #1567438]

Fri, 03 April 2015 11:21

Daniel Mising name

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Eike Stepper wrote on Fri, 16 January 2015 12:04

[...]
3) The installer downloads for Windows (both 32 and 64 bit) are now
signed self-extracting executables. Not only do they free you from
using an extra unzip tool before you can run the installer, they
also makes sure that the installer itself will run with an adequate
VM (see above).
Please give the new installer a try:
wiki-eclipse-org/Eclipse_Oomph_Installer

All feedback is more than welcome!
Cheers
/Eike

Hi Eike and Ed,

"first launch experiencer" here! (And by the way, ofc thank you for all your work! )

I would like to ask if there is a commandline option (in the installer) to point to a specific jvm/jre to use? (instead of magically scanning my system for a viable solution ... or trying to find something useful in the M$-registry)

Daniel

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691214 is a reply to message #1691208]

Fri, 03 April 2015 13:38

Eike Stepper

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Am 03.04.2015 um 15:03 schrieb Daniel: 
<blockquote cite="mid:mfm32a$v4e$1@xxxxxxxxe.org" type="cite">Eike
Stepper wrote on Fri, 16 January 2015 12:04
 
<blockquote type="cite">[...]
 
3) The installer downloads for Windows (both 32 and 64 bit) are
now
 
 signed self-extracting executables. Not only do they free
you from
 
 using an extra unzip tool before you can run the installer,
they
 
 also makes sure that the installer itself will run with an
adequate
 
 VM (see above).
 
Please give the new installer a try:
 
wiki-eclipse-org/Eclipse_Oomph_Installer
 
 
 All feedback is more than welcome!
 
 Cheers
 
 /Eike
 
</blockquote>
 
 
Hi Eike and Ed,
 
 
"first launch experiencer" here! (And by the way, ofc thank you
for all your work! )
 
</blockquote>
You're welcome ;-) 
 
<blockquote cite="mid:mfm32a$v4e$1@xxxxxxxxe.org" type="cite">
I would like to ask if there is a commandline option (in the
installer) to point to a specific jvm/jre to use? (instead of
magically scanning my system for a viable solution ... or trying
to find something useful in the M$-registry)
 
</blockquote>
There's no command line option but with the folder icons right to
the VM combos in both the simple and advanced installer you can open
the JVM Management dialog: 
 
<img src="https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php?t=getfile&id=21430" alt=""> 
The Search... button let's you point to a specific JRE directoy on
your disk, which whill be added to the User list of VMs. This list
is stored under your user home directory and be used by our
installer and all installed IDEs. 
 
Isn't that convenient enough? 
 
Cheers 
/Eike 
 
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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691242 is a reply to message #1691214]

Fri, 03 April 2015 18:48

Daniel Mising name

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Hi Eike,

if i would get that far i would not be typing here :) You are right ... the options (after getting the installer to start) are well fitting!

The "magic" that tries to find a jvm/jre happens when i try to run the eclipse-installer-win32/64.exe ... i would like to be able to set the jre/jvm to use on this one.

TIA
Daniel

//edit: i would like to add some info about my setup. It is kind of a special snowflake: I do not _install_ the "official" precompiled jdk/jre installer executables. Instead of that i extracted it via some batch-file to a folder of my liking. After that i added the required binaries to my path and created the obligatory JAVA_HOME env-var pointing to the correct folder. Running this setup i did not experience any troubles with other java-based tools so far.

This is kind of a "full disclosure" info ... to inform you about some maybe-no-available info's the installer is trying to use to figure out which java to run itself with. It propably would work fine if i would run the official installer which inserts various registry keys and stuff. But if it is possible i would like to run without that.

If i may, i also would like to suggest that there is a popup which shows me where you want to point my browser at (URL/YES/NO) to resolve this Problem (instead of directly shoving me over to the page) ... but this is not as important as getting the installer to run.

Eike Stepper wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 15:38

[...]
There's no command line option but with the folder icons right to
the VM combos in both the simple and advanced installer you can open
the JVM Management dialog: 
 
[link censored because < 5 msg reasons] 
The Search... button let's you point to a specific JRE directoy on
your disk, which whill be added to the User list of VMs. This list
is stored under your user home directory and be used by our
installer and all installed IDEs. 
 
Isn't that convenient enough? 
 
Cheers 
/Eike

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691270 is a reply to message #1691242]

Sat, 04 April 2015 10:29

Ed Merks

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Daniel,

The extractor should find a JRE and should check that it's available and
of a suitably high version to launch the installer, and failing that
should prompt you to install one. I guess something along that chain is
not working. What kind of failure symptoms do you see?

The extractor extracts the installer into a tmp location (the system
temp folder), so you could look for it there and look at the oomph.ini
to see which VM path it has specified...

On 03/04/2015 8:48 PM, Daniel wrote:
> Hi Eike,
>
> if i would get that far i would not be typing here :) You are right
> ... the options (after getting the installer to start) are well fitting!
>
> The "magic" that tries to find a jvm/jre happens when i try to run the
> eclipse-installer-win32/64.exe ... i would like to be able to set the
> jre/jvm to use on this one.
>
> TIA
> Daniel
>
> Eike Stepper wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 15:38
>> [...]
>> There's no command line option but with the folder icons right to
>> the VM combos in both the simple and advanced installer you can open
>> the JVM Management dialog: 
>> 
>> [link censored because < 5 msg reasons] 
>> The Search... button let's you point to a specific JRE directoy on
>> your disk, which whill be added to the User list of VMs. This list
>> is stored under your user home directory and be used by our
>> installer and all installed IDEs. 
>> 
>> Isn't that convenient enough? 
>> 
>> Cheers 
>> /Eike 
>> 
>
>

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691276 is a reply to message #1691270]

Sat, 04 April 2015 12:19

Daniel Mising name

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Hi Ed,

(and also Eike) thank you both very much for your timely replies!
Ed Merks wrote on Sat, 04 April 2015 12:29

[...]What kind of failure symptoms do you see?
The extractor extracts the installer into a tmp location (the system
temp folder), so you could look for it there and look at the oomph.ini
to see which VM path it has specified...

I suppose it does not advance to the extraction of "something eclipse-product-like-which-has-a-ini-with-vm-args-in-it" Wink

if the installer itself cannot confirm an existing JRE.

In the below added screenshot you will see some of the filtered display of sysinternals Process Monitor tool. If i am correct in analyzing the result then after executing eclipse-installer-win32.exe

the only file created in system temp dir is extD26B.tmp
the registry is queried for entries which might point to a JRE directory (which are not found, because they are created via jre/sdk-installer if used)
if no JRE is found an URL is opened pointing to the JRE Missing Page

If i may add ... in the URL what do the supplied argument variable names stand for?

&pn= "Product Name" (guess)
&pu= ?
&pi= ?

Add(2): Nice to see that no other information is transmitted via this way of nudging the user to the right jre!
Screenshot:
index.php/fa/21437/0/

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691277 is a reply to message #1691276]

Sat, 04 April 2015 12:35

Daniel Mising name

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... as a quick followup so that some possible "but's" can be put aside ...

I am aware that one (or in your case two) can only do so much (which is, quite frankly, a lot stuff i am grateful for!) ... and

the propability of running into the "use-case" of "not having used the default/expected way of setting up a jdk/jre" is rather low
you cannot support every system setup the world has to offer
i suppose that if i install the oomph setup into my existing IDE it will too work out of the box then!

After having said all that ... my concern for posting in this thread was to try to maybe find an already available existing solution for my "problem". (commandline parameter in installer pointing to JRE) (And also to make you aware of the existence of such strange non-default setups like mine Wink

)

I am in no need to be able to run this baby via the installer ... and if i would be, i would spin up a VM-snapshot, default-install a JRE there and have it running in no time.

Cheers
Daniel
//edit: also: 5 posts ... linkability granted, yay!

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Re: [Announce] The New Oomph Installer is Available [message #1691282 is a reply to message #1691277]

Sat, 04 April 2015 13:50

Ed Merks

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Daniel,

Please open a bugzilla with the details you've provided. We want this
to work for everyone so it would be good for there to be some ability to
be prompted for (and/or to specify on the command line) the location of
a JRE already on your system (or a folder where to search for them)...

On 04/04/2015 2:35 PM, Daniel wrote:
> .. as a quick followup so that some possible "but's" can be put aside ...
>
> I am aware that one (or in your case two) can only do so much (which
> is, quite frankly, a lot stuff i am grateful for!) ... and
> the propability of running into the "use-case" of "not having used the
> default/expected way of setting up a jdk/jre" is rather low
> you cannot support every system setup the world has to offer
> i suppose that if i install the oomph setup into my existing IDE it
> will too work out of the box then!
> After having said all that ... my concern for posting in this thread
> was to try to maybe find an already available existing solution for my
> "problem". (commandline parameter in installer pointing to JRE) (And
> also to make you aware of the existence of such strange non-default
> setups like mine ;) )
>
> I am in no need to be able to run this baby via the installer ... and
> if i would be, i would spin up a VM-snapshot, default-install a JRE
> there and have it running in no time.
>
> Cheers
> Daniel

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