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| [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2308] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 12:32  |
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Originally posted by: java.dtacheron.noos.fr
DB2 could be hosted on a pc running windows
Stellation is a java development
So, i think it is possible to install Stellation on a window machine.
Do you agree with this ?
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2338 is a reply to message #2308] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 13:44  |
 Mark C. Chu-Carroll
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 08:32:13 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> DB2 could be hosted on a pc running windows Stellation is a java
> development
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> So, i think it is possible to install Stellation on a window machine.
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> Do you agree with this ?
Yes, but there are two limitations.
First: our DB2 support is not complete. The basics of DB2 support are
working, but there are significant administrative issues in setting up
and running a DB2 server. Our group has lacked the resources to work out
all of the administrative issues. We need an experienced DB2 person to
help out with that.
Second: we provide a few capabilities that are based on calling out
to unix commands. In most places, we provide a pure Java alternative
which is significantly slower. In a couple of spots, we haven't provided
a non-unix alternative. (For example, our "svc diff" command that lists
the differences between a workspace an the repository project version
that it was derived from. The current implementation uses a unix "diff"
command to compute them.) To make those commands work, you'll need to
install something like cygwin that provides an implementation of the
Unix shell commands.
We haven't run extensive tests of Stellation under windows. I've tried
running some simple checkin/checkouts against a Unix server using a
Stellation client on a Win2K machine with cygwin installed. I haven't
tried the other commands.
If you want to try this, as usual, we'll be glad to help out in any way
that we can. The one thing we'd ask in return is that you keep notes on
whatever problems you had, and how they got solved, so that we can turn
it into a document on how to run Stellation on windows with DB2.
-Mark
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Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2398 is a reply to message #2338] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 13:28 |
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Originally posted by: java.dtacheron.noos.fr
nice !
unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant functionality
for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of functionality exists in
Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes which already exists ?
"Mark C. Chu-Carroll" <markcc@bestweb.net> a
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2487 is a reply to message #2398] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 15:43 |
Mark C. Chu-Carroll
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> nice !
> unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
>
> just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
> functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
> functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes
> which already exists ?
There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
and as a standalone command-line tool.
The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the Eclipse
diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the Eclipse diff
support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice context diffs that
are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate human-readable
context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been limited, so we've
focused our attention on other things. (We are employed by IBM research,
so we've needed to focus our attention on the things that make it possible
to do research using Stellation. Spending several person-weeks writing
context diffs simply wasn't something we could afford to do.)
If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
them and use them. The class org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils
in the core plugin contains an implementation of a diff algorithm. The
result of it is far from human readable, but it would make a good starting
point for someone who wanted to build diff support to replace our external
diff call.
-Mark
--
Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2517 is a reply to message #2487] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 15:48 |
Xavier Méhaut
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Mark,
On windows , you can use such a tool like CSDiff
http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/?404;http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/intro.htm
regards
Xavier
Mark C. Chu-Carroll wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> > nice !
> > unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
> >
> > just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
> > functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
> > functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes
> > which already exists ?
> There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
> and as a standalone command-line tool.
> The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the Eclipse
> diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the Eclipse diff
> support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice context diffs that
> are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate human-readable
> context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been limited, so we've
> focused our attention on other things. (We are employed by IBM research,
> so we've needed to focus our attention on the things that make it possible
> to do research using Stellation. Spending several person-weeks writing
> context diffs simply wasn't something we could afford to do.)
> If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
> them and use them. The class org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils
> in the core plugin contains an implementation of a diff algorithm. The
> result of it is far from human readable, but it would make a good starting
> point for someone who wanted to build diff support to replace our external
> diff call.
> -Mark
> --
> Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
> *** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
> *** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
> *** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email:
markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2547 is a reply to message #2517] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 16:46 |
Mark C. Chu-Carroll
Messages: 64
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:48:18 -0400, xme wrote:
> Mark,
> On windows , you can use such a tool like CSDiff
> http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/?404;http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/intro.htm
> regards
> Xavier
There's a variety of different diff tools for windows. As you as you put
one that's syntax-compatible with unix diff somewhere in your path,
Stellation will happily use it.
-Mark
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> Mark C. Chu-Carroll wrote:
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>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
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>> > nice !
>> > unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
>> >
>> > just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
>> > functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
>> > functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java
>> > classes which already exists ?
>
>> There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
>> and as a standalone command-line tool.
>
>> The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the
>> Eclipse diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the
>> Eclipse diff support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice
>> context diffs that are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate
>> human-readable context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been
>> limited, so we've focused our attention on other things. (We are
>> employed by IBM research, so we've needed to focus our attention on the
>> things that make it possible to do research using Stellation. Spending
>> several person-weeks writing context diffs simply wasn't something we
>> could afford to do.)
>
>> If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
>> them and use them. The class
>> org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils in the core plugin contains
>> an implementation of a diff algorithm. The result of it is far from
>> human readable, but it would make a good starting point for someone who
>> wanted to build diff support to replace our external diff call.
>
>> -Mark
>
>
>> --
>> Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center *** The
>> Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration ***
>> http://www.eclipse.org/stellation *** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com
>> ------- Personal Email:
> markcc@bestweb.net
--
Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #2663 is a reply to message #2398] |
Mon, 08 July 2002 20:17 |
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Originally posted by: jim.wright.acm.org
Hi Damien,
I work with Mark on the Stellation project, where I'm responsible for the
Eclipse plugins and GUI. I'm also the Windows maven in the group
(although I work mostly on Linux these days).
It would certainly be great to use the Eclipse diff support, and to make
the Stellation plugin client completely os-independent. This will
probably happen as part of the ongoing Eclipse work; help is always
welcome!
The current Stellation plugin is still pretty basic; it's very much a work
in progress. There are some cool features now: for example, moving/
renaming/adding/deleting resources in Eclipse automatically updates the
Stellation branch image (while maintaining change history across moves and
renames). However, there's still a lot more to be done. I'll be posting
more details about plans for the Stellation plugins on the stellation-res
mailing list later this week -- please join the list if you're interested.
Regards,
Jim
"Damien Tacheron" <java.dtacheron@noos.fr> wrote in
news:ag9e2o$bqu$1@rogue.oti.com:
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> just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
> functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
> functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes
> which already exists ?
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #5198 is a reply to message #2663] |
Wed, 10 July 2002 20:34 |
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Originally posted by: java.dtacheron.noos.fr
Hi Jim
i'm very interested in Stellation and i'll try to run Stellation on win32.
Unfortunately, i had a hard job these days but i hope that i could do better
job next days.
it's a good news that you try to have Stellation os independant and to
develop an eclipse plugin. I'm waiting for it and i'm sure that a lot of
people will be interested !
may the force be with you
"Jim Wright" <jim.wright@acm.org> a
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #566297 is a reply to message #2308] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 13:44 |
Mark C. Chu-Carroll
Messages: 64
Registered: July 2009 |
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 08:32:13 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> DB2 could be hosted on a pc running windows Stellation is a java
> development
>
> So, i think it is possible to install Stellation on a window machine.
>
> Do you agree with this ?
Yes, but there are two limitations.
First: our DB2 support is not complete. The basics of DB2 support are
working, but there are significant administrative issues in setting up
and running a DB2 server. Our group has lacked the resources to work out
all of the administrative issues. We need an experienced DB2 person to
help out with that.
Second: we provide a few capabilities that are based on calling out
to unix commands. In most places, we provide a pure Java alternative
which is significantly slower. In a couple of spots, we haven't provided
a non-unix alternative. (For example, our "svc diff" command that lists
the differences between a workspace an the repository project version
that it was derived from. The current implementation uses a unix "diff"
command to compute them.) To make those commands work, you'll need to
install something like cygwin that provides an implementation of the
Unix shell commands.
We haven't run extensive tests of Stellation under windows. I've tried
running some simple checkin/checkouts against a Unix server using a
Stellation client on a Win2K machine with cygwin installed. I haven't
tried the other commands.
If you want to try this, as usual, we'll be glad to help out in any way
that we can. The one thing we'd ask in return is that you keep notes on
whatever problems you had, and how they got solved, so that we can turn
it into a document on how to run Stellation on windows with DB2.
-Mark
--
Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #566365 is a reply to message #2338] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 13:28 |
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Originally posted by: java.dtacheron.noos.fr
nice !
unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant functionality
for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of functionality exists in
Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes which already exists ?
"Mark C. Chu-Carroll" <markcc@bestweb.net> a
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #566440 is a reply to message #2398] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 15:43 |
Mark C. Chu-Carroll
Messages: 64
Registered: July 2009 |
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> nice !
> unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
>
> just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
> functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
> functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes
> which already exists ?
There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
and as a standalone command-line tool.
The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the Eclipse
diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the Eclipse diff
support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice context diffs that
are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate human-readable
context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been limited, so we've
focused our attention on other things. (We are employed by IBM research,
so we've needed to focus our attention on the things that make it possible
to do research using Stellation. Spending several person-weeks writing
context diffs simply wasn't something we could afford to do.)
If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
them and use them. The class org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils
in the core plugin contains an implementation of a diff algorithm. The
result of it is far from human readable, but it would make a good starting
point for someone who wanted to build diff support to replace our external
diff call.
-Mark
--
Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #566459 is a reply to message #2487] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 15:48 |
Xavier Méhaut
Messages: 49
Registered: July 2009 |
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Mark,
On windows , you can use such a tool like CSDiff
http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/?404;http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/intro.htm
regards
Xavier
Mark C. Chu-Carroll wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
> > nice !
> > unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
> >
> > just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
> > functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
> > functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java classes
> > which already exists ?
> There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
> and as a standalone command-line tool.
> The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the Eclipse
> diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the Eclipse diff
> support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice context diffs that
> are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate human-readable
> context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been limited, so we've
> focused our attention on other things. (We are employed by IBM research,
> so we've needed to focus our attention on the things that make it possible
> to do research using Stellation. Spending several person-weeks writing
> context diffs simply wasn't something we could afford to do.)
> If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
> them and use them. The class org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils
> in the core plugin contains an implementation of a diff algorithm. The
> result of it is far from human readable, but it would make a good starting
> point for someone who wanted to build diff support to replace our external
> diff call.
> -Mark
> --
> Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
> *** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
> *** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
> *** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email:
markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #566478 is a reply to message #2517] |
Sun, 07 July 2002 16:46 |
Mark C. Chu-Carroll
Messages: 64
Registered: July 2009 |
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On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:48:18 -0400, xme wrote:
> Mark,
> On windows , you can use such a tool like CSDiff
> http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/?404;http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/csdiff/intro.htm
> regards
> Xavier
There's a variety of different diff tools for windows. As you as you put
one that's syntax-compatible with unix diff somewhere in your path,
Stellation will happily use it.
-Mark
>
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> Mark C. Chu-Carroll wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:28:34 -0400, Damien Tacheron wrote:
>
>> > nice !
>> > unfortunately, i'm not a DB2 specialist, but i'll try it.
>> >
>> > just a remark : i'm very surprise that you use os dependant
>> > functionality for "diff" capabilities implementation. this kind of
>> > functionality exists in Eclipse and perhaps there are some java
>> > classes which already exists ?
>
>> There are two different ways of using Stellation: as an Eclipse plugin,
>> and as a standalone command-line tool.
>
>> The "diff" command is for the standalone tool. So we can't use the
>> Eclipse diff facilities there. (Inside of Eclipse, we'll use the
>> Eclipse diff support.) And the Unix diff tool generates very nice
>> context diffs that are human-readable. Writing our own code to generate
>> human-readable context diffs isn't easy. And our resources have been
>> limited, so we've focused our attention on other things. (We are
>> employed by IBM research, so we've needed to focus our attention on the
>> things that make it possible to do research using Stellation. Spending
>> several person-weeks writing context diffs simply wasn't something we
>> could afford to do.)
>
>> If someone wants to write context diffs in Java, we'd be glad to adopt
>> them and use them. The class
>> org.eclipse.stellation.repos.util.TextUtils in the core plugin contains
>> an implementation of a diff algorithm. The result of it is far from
>> human readable, but it would make a good starting point for someone who
>> wanted to build diff support to replace our external diff call.
>
>> -Mark
>
>
>> --
>> Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center *** The
>> Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration ***
>> http://www.eclipse.org/stellation *** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com
>> ------- Personal Email:
> markcc@bestweb.net
--
Mark Craig Chu-Carroll, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
*** The Stellation project: Advanced SCM for Collaboration
*** http://www.eclipse.org/stellation
*** Work Email: mcc@watson.ibm.com ------- Personal Email: markcc@bestweb.net
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| Re: [Stellation] DB2 + win32 [message #567126 is a reply to message #2663] |
Wed, 10 July 2002 20:34 |
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Originally posted by: java.dtacheron.noos.fr
Hi Jim
i'm very interested in Stellation and i'll try to run Stellation on win32.
Unfortunately, i had a hard job these days but i hope that i could do better
job next days.
it's a good news that you try to have Stellation os independant and to
develop an eclipse plugin. I'm waiting for it and i'm sure that a lot of
people will be interested !
may the force be with you
"Jim Wright" <jim.wright@acm.org> a
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