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| Visual Editor? [message #259504] |
Sat, 28 June 2008 18:25  |
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Originally posted by: rtroy.sciencetools.com
Hmmm...
OK, guys, I need some help finding out the current status of things
regarding java windowing _applications._
One key reason I'm interested in Eclipse is my interest in a visual
editor. These other features are nice, but they don't save me the kind of
time that a visual editor does. I have an extensive 'swing' application
and I'd like to maintain it and continue development and can't afford to
re-write it; org.eclipse.swt doesn't do it for me.
NOTE TO SWT PEOPLE: You'd do yourselves a great favor if you put on your
home page a simple paragraph or so addressing that your toolset is an
_alternative_ to something like javax.swing, and what your policy on
deployment of the library is and what the benefits are beyond swing - why
bother? As your home web page is now, it'd be pretty easy to miss the fact
that you're offering something potentially better and with more options to
be converted for use on non-java platforms.
...I had expected there would be a visual editor for Java apps, and in
looking, I found out about the Visual Editor Project, but it has a "final"
release noted in late 2007, and it talks about requiring younger versions
(3.2/3.3) of Eclipse, but it seems old. I'd have expected something like
VEP to be rolled into the main-line concerns / development of Eclipse
itself. What's the current state of affairs? Development over? Nothing
more to do? Not enough coders? Seems odd...
MEANWHILE, EclipsePluginCentral has a bit on WindowBuilder Pro. The
description sounds nice, but it only talks about supporting up to Eclipse
3.3, and not 3.4, which I just installed! -smile- It's clearly got a lot
of work happening with it. But it's NOT open-source. Oh, sure, it's got
some kind of accademic and restricted functionality version available for
free, but this is not the same thing.
What's up guys?
Thank you for your time,
Richard
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| Re: Visual Editor? [message #259507 is a reply to message #259504] |
Sat, 28 June 2008 21:07  |
 Ed Merks
Messages: 33252
Registered: July 2009 |
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Richard,
VE has its own newsgroup, as does SWT, both of which I've added to the
"to" list of the reply.
Richard wrote:
>
> Hmmm...
>
> OK, guys, I need some help finding out the current status of things
> regarding java windowing _applications._
> One key reason I'm interested in Eclipse is my interest in a visual
> editor. These other features are nice, but they don't save me the kind
> of time that a visual editor does. I have an extensive 'swing'
> application and I'd like to maintain it and continue development and
> can't afford to re-write it; org.eclipse.swt doesn't do it for me.
>
> NOTE TO SWT PEOPLE: You'd do yourselves a great favor if you put on
> your home page a simple paragraph or so addressing that your toolset
> is an _alternative_ to something like javax.swing, and what your
> policy on deployment of the library is and what the benefits are
> beyond swing - why bother? As your home web page is now, it'd be
> pretty easy to miss the fact that you're offering something
> potentially better and with more options to be converted for use on
> non-java platforms.
>
> ..I had expected there would be a visual editor for Java apps, and in
> looking, I found out about the Visual Editor Project, but it has a
> "final" release noted in late 2007, and it talks about requiring
> younger versions (3.2/3.3) of Eclipse, but it seems old. I'd have
> expected something like VEP to be rolled into the main-line concerns /
> development of Eclipse itself. What's the current state of affairs?
> Development over? Nothing more to do? Not enough coders? Seems odd...
>
> MEANWHILE, EclipsePluginCentral has a bit on WindowBuilder Pro. The
> description sounds nice, but it only talks about supporting up to
> Eclipse 3.3, and not 3.4, which I just installed! -smile- It's clearly
> got a lot of work happening with it. But it's NOT open-source. Oh,
> sure, it's got some kind of accademic and restricted functionality
> version available for free, but this is not the same thing.
>
> What's up guys?
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Richard
>
Ed Merks
Professional Support: https://www.macromodeling.com/
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| Re: Visual Editor? [message #259510 is a reply to message #259504] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 00:52 |
Eric Clayberg
Messages: 979
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA |
Senior Member |
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> MEANWHILE, EclipsePluginCentral has a bit on WindowBuilder Pro. The
> description sounds nice, but it only talks about supporting up to Eclipse
> 3.3, and not 3.4, which I just installed! -smile- It's clearly got a lot
> of work happening with it. But it's NOT open-source. Oh, sure, it's got
> some kind of academic and restricted functionality version available for
> free, but this is not the same thing.
You can learn more about WindowBuilder here...
http://www.instantiations.com/windowbuilder/index.html?id=1
http://www.instantiations.com/windowbuilder/demos.html
http://download.instantiations.com/DesignerDoc/integration/l atest/docs/html/toc.html
It supports SWT, JFace, RCP, Swing and GWT and runs on Eclipse 3.0, 3.1,
3.2, 3.3 *and* 3.4.
It is the most popular GUI builder in the Eclipse world with over 100,000
registered users.
In addition to the academic and free versions, the tool is also free to
committers working on any open source project (and Eclipse committer can
have it for free, for example)...
http://www.instantiations.com/company/opensource.html
The Swing portion of the tool, Swing Designer, was also recently OEM'ed by
CodeGear as the GUI builder in JBuilder 2008...
http://www.codegear.com/article/37695
-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/
Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/032142672X
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| Re: Visual Editor? [message #259602 is a reply to message #259504] |
Mon, 30 June 2008 13:30 |
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Originally posted by: cmattmiller.gmail.com
Not having a good non-commercial visual editor is a draw-back to using
Eclipse. I tried Jigloo but found it hard to use. I'm trying out
Jbuilder now ($80 for single user to purchase), it has a full featured
20-day evaulation period and you can email them to get that extended after
the initial 20 days.
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