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| BIRT vs jasperreports [message #212668] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 09:47  |
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Originally posted by: pradeepzmail.gmail.com
How does BIRT compare with Jasperreports. I have read couple of old blogs
on the web where people still prefer Jasperreports. Has things changed ?
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #212906 is a reply to message #212668] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 21:01  |
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Originally posted by: rob.torenware.com
pradeep wrote:
> How does BIRT compare with Jasperreports. I have read couple of old
> blogs on the web where people still prefer Jasperreports. Has things
> changed ?
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I can't speak to how the two compare for report development. But I'm
new to BIRT, out of seious exasperation with the JasperReports platform
as a developer.
Several problems:
1) iReport just is not a stable, usable application. The report
development tools are just better in BIRT.
2) If you need to work with non-standard data sources in JasperReports,
the APIs are simply too limited. In particular, there's no equivalent
of the design APIs that BIRT exposes. Also, there is not support for
the same APIs in both iReports and in the libraries used to build
servlets, a major problem for a developer.
3) BIRT has a larger, more vibrant user community.
4) I don't know about user-support and training for BIRT. I do know
about this for JasperReports, and am unlikely to recommend those
services to clients after the experiences previous clients have had.
I'm sure there are people who've had better experiences with
JasperReports. Certainly, I'd hope so.
Cheers,
Rob
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #212947 is a reply to message #212906] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 05:53 |
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Originally posted by: pradeepzmail.gmail.com
Thank you Rob Thorne. Appreciate it.
Pradeep
Rob Thorne wrote:
> pradeep wrote:
>> How does BIRT compare with Jasperreports. I have read couple of old
>> blogs on the web where people still prefer Jasperreports. Has things
>> changed ?
>>
> I can't speak to how the two compare for report development. But I'm
> new to BIRT, out of seious exasperation with the JasperReports platform
> as a developer.
> Several problems:
> 1) iReport just is not a stable, usable application. The report
> development tools are just better in BIRT.
> 2) If you need to work with non-standard data sources in JasperReports,
> the APIs are simply too limited. In particular, there's no equivalent
> of the design APIs that BIRT exposes. Also, there is not support for
> the same APIs in both iReports and in the libraries used to build
> servlets, a major problem for a developer.
> 3) BIRT has a larger, more vibrant user community.
> 4) I don't know about user-support and training for BIRT. I do know
> about this for JasperReports, and am unlikely to recommend those
> services to clients after the experiences previous clients have had.
> I'm sure there are people who've had better experiences with
> JasperReports. Certainly, I'd hope so.
> Cheers,
> Rob
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #215351 is a reply to message #212906] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 22:02 |
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Originally posted by: bjug.boyum.nsd.uib.no
I'm not a diehard fan of jasper/ireport either, but i have to say that
ireport has come a long way lately. I do not find it particularly hard
to use (anymore). Functionality wise, my impression is that
jasperreports is still some way ahead. Important to me is excel support
(and also support for other output formats not supported by BIRT),
crosstabs, it is relatively easy to compute percentages and other
measures. In addition to normal jdbc data sources, it also reads
hibernate and mondrian data sources, among others (i have not tried this
myself).
On the downside, my impression is that generated HTML is better in BIRT.
I understand that BIRT uses CSS syntax for styles, which i would greatly
prefer. Of course, i would also prefer to use a design tool integrated
in my IDE. Non-standard data sources may be difficult to use. If you are
going to use APIs to program it in java, BIRT may be way better, i just
use rather simple jsp pages to call reports. Documentation sucks, JR is
certainly not unique in the open source world in this respect. Have
never used support and training, but the online forums are helpful.
Rob Thorne wrote:
> pradeep wrote:
>> How does BIRT compare with Jasperreports. I have read couple of old
>> blogs on the web where people still prefer Jasperreports. Has things
>> changed ?
>>
>
> I can't speak to how the two compare for report development. But I'm
> new to BIRT, out of seious exasperation with the JasperReports platform
> as a developer.
>
> Several problems:
>
> 1) iReport just is not a stable, usable application. The report
> development tools are just better in BIRT.
>
> 2) If you need to work with non-standard data sources in JasperReports,
> the APIs are simply too limited. In particular, there's no equivalent
> of the design APIs that BIRT exposes. Also, there is not support for
> the same APIs in both iReports and in the libraries used to build
> servlets, a major problem for a developer.
>
> 3) BIRT has a larger, more vibrant user community.
>
> 4) I don't know about user-support and training for BIRT. I do know
> about this for JasperReports, and am unlikely to recommend those
> services to clients after the experiences previous clients have had.
>
>
> I'm sure there are people who've had better experiences with
> JasperReports. Certainly, I'd hope so.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #215495 is a reply to message #215351] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 06:33 |
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Originally posted by: pradeepzmail.gmail.com
Thanks Bjug Bøyum. I am more comfortable using BIRT designer than
iReports. Yes I agree with as far as output formats, support for Cross
tabs and poor docs from JR is concerned. Does JR support Library concept
as BIRT does- making report items reusable ?
Has anyone tried out the commercial version of Jasperreports.Thanks
Pradeep
Bjug Bøyum wrote:
> I'm not a diehard fan of jasper/ireport either, but i have to say that
> ireport has come a long way lately. I do not find it particularly hard
> to use (anymore). Functionality wise, my impression is that
> jasperreports is still some way ahead. Important to me is excel support
> (and also support for other output formats not supported by BIRT),
> crosstabs, it is relatively easy to compute percentages and other
> measures. In addition to normal jdbc data sources, it also reads
> hibernate and mondrian data sources, among others (i have not tried this
> myself).
> On the downside, my impression is that generated HTML is better in BIRT.
> I understand that BIRT uses CSS syntax for styles, which i would greatly
> prefer. Of course, i would also prefer to use a design tool integrated
> in my IDE. Non-standard data sources may be difficult to use. If you are
> going to use APIs to program it in java, BIRT may be way better, i just
> use rather simple jsp pages to call reports. Documentation sucks, JR is
> certainly not unique in the open source world in this respect. Have
> never used support and training, but the online forums are helpful.
>
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #215957 is a reply to message #215495] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 21:04 |
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Originally posted by: conner.john.gmail.com
I have jasper reports in my application and we are moving away from it to
BIRT. The number one reason is the jasper reports reports are "compiled"
into a java class. Whenever the jasper reports api changes, you have to
re-compile all of the reports. This is a huge disadvantage for our
application as we allow users to create their own reports (mainly modify
the formating) and upload them to the server without anyone from IT
looking at them (at least until there is a problem).
Now this could have change as we are on an older version of JR - we don't
want to have to recompile all of the reports we currently have.
As soon as page totals and crosstabs are supported, we can move fully away
from JR.
Looking forward to BIRT 2.2.
John....
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| Re: BIRT vs jasperreports [message #216102 is a reply to message #215957] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 07:07 |
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Originally posted by: pradeepzmail.gmail.com
Is Page total and Crosstabs supported in 2.2 ?
Pradeep
John Conner wrote:
> I have jasper reports in my application and we are moving away from it to
> BIRT. The number one reason is the jasper reports reports are "compiled"
> into a java class. Whenever the jasper reports api changes, you have to
> re-compile all of the reports. This is a huge disadvantage for our
> application as we allow users to create their own reports (mainly modify
> the formating) and upload them to the server without anyone from IT
> looking at them (at least until there is a problem).
> Now this could have change as we are on an older version of JR - we don't
> want to have to recompile all of the reports we currently have.
> As soon as page totals and crosstabs are supported, we can move fully away
> from JR.
> Looking forward to BIRT 2.2.
> John....
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