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How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12173]

Mon, 29 September 2008 12:09

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz

Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hi all.

I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.

For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication
means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF
(http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only
for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly
conference call. Is this achievable?

I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for
their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).

TIA,
B.
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Blog: http://www.brs4etish.blogspot.com
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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12865 is a reply to message #12173]

Tue, 30 September 2008 03:35

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: slewis.composent.com

Hi Barbara,

ECF has a 'call API' [1] that allows applications to do call setup and
signalling...with providers that implement the call API.

Currently we only have a couple implementations of the call API. The
Skype provider (available at ecf1.osuosl.org) and one based upon Jingle
[2].

We would like to have others (e.g. SIP) but that work has not been
completed yet.

So I wish I could tell you things were further along in this regard
(support for conferencing), but they are not.

If you are able to contribute any work in these areas it will be most
welcome. My apologies that we don't have more completed and available
for you to work with at this point.

Scott

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VOIP
[2]
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VoIP_via_the_ECF_Call_API_and_the_Ji ngle_Protocol

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.
>
> For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication
> means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF
> (http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only
> for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly
> conference call. Is this achievable?
>
> I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for
> their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).
>
> TIA,
> B.

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12876 is a reply to message #12865]

Tue, 30 September 2008 17:58

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz

Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

On 2008-09-30 04:35:32 +0100, Scott Lewis <slewis@composent.com> said:

> Hi Barbara,
>
> ECF has a 'call API' [1] that allows applications to do call setup and
> signalling...with providers that implement the call API.
>
> Currently we only have a couple implementations of the call API. The
> Skype provider (available at ecf1.osuosl.org) and one based upon Jingle
> [2].
>
> We would like to have others (e.g. SIP) but that work has not been
> completed yet.
>
> So I wish I could tell you things were further along in this regard
> (support for conferencing), but they are not.
>
> If you are able to contribute any work in these areas it will be most
> welcome. My apologies that we don't have more completed and available
> for you to work with at this point.
>
> Scott
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VOIP
> [2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VoIP_via_the_ECF_Call_API_and_the_Ji ngle_Protocol
>
>
> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.
>>
>> For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication
>> means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF
>> (http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only
>> for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly
>> conference call. Is this achievable?
>>
>> I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for
>> their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).
>>
>> TIA,
>> B.

Thanks for your reply, Scott.

Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to
contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already
there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.

I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your
ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be
able to enter any group other than the default one
("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown.
I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance
"ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the
people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I
missing?

Thanks again and kind regards,
B.

--
   Barbara Rosi-Schwartz
   Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
Blog: http://www.brs4etish.blogspot.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   ^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme
|) ::: (| The Open Requirements Management Tool
====w=w==== [https://useme.dev.java.net]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12886 is a reply to message #12876]

Tue, 30 September 2008 18:25

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: slewis.composent.com

Hi Barbara,

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
<stuff deleted>

> Thanks for your reply, Scott.
>
> Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to
> contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already
> there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.
>
> I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your
> ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be
> able to enter any group other than the default one
> ("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown.
> I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance
> "ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the
> people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I
> missing?

The only thing that you are missing is that this server is administered
by us, and we only maintain a few groups for public usage (including
'/server' but not '/my_group').

We don't support (for this 'ECF generic' server) setting up
new/additional groups. The main reason for this is just that we don't
have resources for administering many groups (which would be possible if
many folks started using these groups for more than just examples).

We do, however, include a copy of the server within the ECF SDK, and so
anyone can run their own server if they wish. There's some
documentation for this (running your own local ecf generic server) here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/ECF_Servers

If we had some resources for administration we could consider running an
ECF generic server that would allow people to create their own groups
and then use them. If this is something you think the Eclipse
Foundation can/could do, I would encourage you to file an enhancement
request within the 'Eclipse Community' in bugzilla:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Communit y&bug_severity=enhancement

thanks,

Scott

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12898 is a reply to message #12886]

Tue, 30 September 2008 19:41

Joel Rosi-Schwartz

Messages: 624
Registered: July 2009
Location: London. England

Senior Member

Hi Scott,

I have been investigating ECF with Barbara and we have noticed that
there appears to be some functionality that is only available on
Windows; well at least we cannot access it on OS X. For instance, the
Send File and Share Application are greyed out, and the it appears the
Skype plug-in is Win32 only.

Is there a concise matrix of what functionality is available by OS and
architecture, possibly with target date (if known) for addressing each.

Many thanks,
Joel
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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #12913 is a reply to message #12886]

Wed, 01 October 2008 12:41

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz

Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

On 2008-09-30 19:25:53 +0100, Scott Lewis <slewis@composent.com> said:

> Hi Barbara,
>
> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> <stuff deleted>
>
>> Thanks for your reply, Scott.
>>
>> Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to
>> contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already
>> there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.
>>
>> I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your
>> ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be
>> able to enter any group other than the default one
>> ("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown.
>> I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance
>> "ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the
>> people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I
>> missing?
>
> The only thing that you are missing is that this server is administered
> by us, and we only maintain a few groups for public usage (including
> '/server' but not '/my_group').
>
> We don't support (for this 'ECF generic' server) setting up
> new/additional groups. The main reason for this is just that we don't
> have resources for administering many groups (which would be possible
> if many folks started using these groups for more than just examples).
>
> We do, however, include a copy of the server within the ECF SDK, and so
> anyone can run their own server if they wish. There's some
> documentation for this (running your own local ecf generic server)
> here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/ECF_Servers
>
> If we had some resources for administration we could consider running
> an ECF generic server that would allow people to create their own
> groups and then use them. If this is something you think the Eclipse
> Foundation can/could do, I would encourage you to file an enhancement
> request within the 'Eclipse Community' in bugzilla:
>
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Communit y&bug_severity=enhancement

thanks,

Scott

Scott,

I
>
figured I would need to create my own server!... Thanks for the pointer
to the docs.

In general, I do think that it would be appropriate for the Foundation
to encourage the use of the ECF for collaboration on Eclipse projects
as much as possible, so yes, I have filed issue
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=249300 in Bugzilla.
Thanks for suggesting it.

Cheerio,
B.

--
   Barbara Rosi-Schwartz
   Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
Blog: http://www.brs4etish.blogspot.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   ^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme
|) ::: (| The Open Requirements Management Tool
====w=w==== [https://useme.dev.java.net]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #564259 is a reply to message #12173]

Tue, 30 September 2008 03:35

Scott Lewis

Messages: 1038
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hi Barbara,

ECF has a 'call API' [1] that allows applications to do call setup and
signalling...with providers that implement the call API.

Currently we only have a couple implementations of the call API. The
Skype provider (available at ecf1.osuosl.org) and one based upon Jingle
[2].

We would like to have others (e.g. SIP) but that work has not been
completed yet.

So I wish I could tell you things were further along in this regard
(support for conferencing), but they are not.

If you are able to contribute any work in these areas it will be most
welcome. My apologies that we don't have more completed and available
for you to work with at this point.

Scott

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/VOIP
[2]
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VoIP_via_the_ECF_Call_API_and_the_Ji ngle_Protocol

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I am new to ECF, so please pardon my ignorance.
>
> For a while now I have been thinking of using ECF as the communication
> means of choice for my Eclpise project, ORMF
> (http://www.eclipse.org/ormf). Ideally I would like to use it not only
> for whiteboarding, screen sharing and the like, but also for our weekly
> conference call. Is this achievable?
>
> I notice ECF itself resorts to the standard means of communication for
> their conference call, so I am wondering what might be the obstacle(s).
>
> TIA,
> B.

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #564281 is a reply to message #12865]

Tue, 30 September 2008 17:58

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz

Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

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Re: How to use ECF for conference calls [message #564305 is a reply to message #12876]

Tue, 30 September 2008 18:25

Scott Lewis

Messages: 1038
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Hi Barbara,

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
<stuff deleted>

> Thanks for your reply, Scott.
>
> Unfortunately I would not be able to find any time, at present, to
> contribute to the effort. However I appreciate greatly what is already
> there and will try and use whatever we can for our project.
>
> I have a follow on question: I have been playing around a bit with your
> ECF collaboration group. When the wizard comes up, I do not seem to be
> able to enter any group other than the default one
> ("ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/server"), as an EOFException is thrown.
> I think I should be able to define a private group ID (for instance
> "ecftcp://ecf.eclipse.org:3282/my_group") to restrict access to the
> people that are interested in our specific collaboration. What am I
> missing?

The only thing that you are missing is that this server is administered
by us, and we only maintain a few groups for public usage (including
'/server' but not '/my_group').

We don't support (for this 'ECF generic' server) setting up
new/additional groups. The main reason for this is just that we don't
have resources for administering many groups (which would be possible if
many folks started using these groups for more than just examples).

We do, however, include a copy of the server within the ECF SDK, and so
anyone can run their own server if they wish. There's some
documentation for this (running your own local ecf generic server) here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/ECF_Servers

If we had some resources for administration we could consider running an
ECF generic server that would allow people to create their own groups
and then use them. If this is something you think the Eclipse
Foundation can/could do, I would encourage you to file an enhancement
request within the 'Eclipse Community' in bugzilla:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Communit y&bug_severity=enhancement

thanks,

Scott

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