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Language constraints? [message #991]

Tue, 03 April 2007 09:49

Sergey Gomanyuk

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Registered: July 2009

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Hi, I'm not familiar with DLTK yet. As I understand DLTK is positioned as
LTK for _dynamic_ languages.

So the questions are:
1. What are the main obstacles to implement IDE for strongly typed languages
like Java or C/C++ with help of DLTK?
2. What kind of requirements must language comply with to implement IDE for
it with help of DLTK?

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Sergey Gomanyuk

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Re: Language constraints? [message #1023 is a reply to message #991]

Tue, 03 April 2007 10:27

Andrey Platov

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Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

Hello Sergey,

In fact there are no obstacles to use DLTK for strongly typed languages.
I believe some performance-oriented folks may found that internal
structures, facilities and architecture might be optimized if we would
be oriented on strongly typed languages only, but I think such
performance gains as well as differences would be quite minimal.

According to the above I'd like to expand DLTK acronym as Draft LTK, or
something like that :) ... Definitely one of DLTK main goals is to
propose some facilities to the LTK layer in the future.

As for your questions
1) There are no obstacles to use DLTK for Java or C++ IDEs
2) Hmm... your question triggered hot discussion here :) Short answer
is: we think that any kind of language could benefit from the DLTK
including declarative and functional languages, however some DLTK Core
Framework facilities will be useless for some languages...

Kind Regards,
Andrey Platov

Sergey Gomanyuk wrote:
> Hi, I'm not familiar with DLTK yet. As I understand DLTK is positioned as
> LTK for _dynamic_ languages.
>
> So the questions are:
> 1. What are the main obstacles to implement IDE for strongly typed languages
> like Java or C/C++ with help of DLTK?
> 2. What kind of requirements must language comply with to implement IDE for
> it with help of DLTK?
>
> ---------
> Sergey Gomanyuk
>
>
>

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Re: Language constraints? [message #2367 is a reply to message #1023]

Thu, 03 May 2007 16:08

Teddy Walker

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Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

In several slides you say, that Lisp, Prolog and Scheme don't fit. What's
the criteria here?
Perhaps, so it will become clear for us, which languages fits good.

Teddy

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Re: Language constraints? [message #2426 is a reply to message #2367]

Mon, 07 May 2007 09:14

Andrei Sobolev

Messages: 17
Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

Hi Teddy,

I suppose any language could use DLTK.
But some of DLTK core elements such as Model Outline, Search, etc. are
designed for structured languages such as Python, Ruby, Java, etc.

So if it possible to map languages elements to selected structure, then
DLTK will fit good. But if not, it also could be used for project
management, etc.

Thanks, Andrei.

Teddy Walker wrote:
> In several slides you say, that Lisp, Prolog and Scheme don't fit.
> What's the criteria here?
> Perhaps, so it will become clear for us, which languages fits good.
>
> Teddy

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Re: Language constraints? [message #6365 is a reply to message #2426]

Thu, 07 June 2007 15:43

Sergey Gomanyuk

Messages: 46
Registered: July 2009

Member

Hi,
as I understand if my language model can be mapped to DLTK core language
model then all is good and DLTK Core is the best solution to integrate my
language into Eclipse.

Well, lets consider two another situations:
first: language model is very similar to DLTK Core model but contains
additional aspects, so is the a way to extend and reuse existing model and
customize feature implementations provided by DLTK Core?
second: language model is completely different from DLTK Core model. Can I
replace DLTK Core model and reuse features which implementation is dependent
from DLTK Core model?

Another question:
could you enumerate (in general) and divide DLTK Core features (presented
now) by language model dependent and independent?

"Andrei Sobolev" <andrei.sobolev@xored.com> wrote in message
news:f1mqjm$taq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Teddy,
>
> I suppose any language could use DLTK.
> But some of DLTK core elements such as Model Outline, Search, etc. are
> designed for structured languages such as Python, Ruby, Java, etc.
>
> So if it possible to map languages elements to selected structure, then
> DLTK will fit good. But if not, it also could be used for project
> management, etc.
>
> Thanks, Andrei.
>
> Teddy Walker wrote:
> > In several slides you say, that Lisp, Prolog and Scheme don't fit.
> > What's the criteria here?
> > Perhaps, so it will become clear for us, which languages fits good.
> >
> > Teddy

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