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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117216 is a reply to message #117203] |
Sat, 15 November 2003 14:46   |
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Originally posted by: cekvenich_vic.basebeans.com
You can download both for free. If you like inteliJ, then you pay them a
small fee.
I like Eclipse becuase of plugins, and becuase it has GREAT CVS support.
..V
Robert Ludewig wrote:
> Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
> wich one is better ?
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117308 is a reply to message #117216] |
Sat, 15 November 2003 21:19 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
That's an understatement... the CVS support in eclipse is bar none
phenominal.
IntelliJ 4 though (due out at end of month) has some amazing CVS support
from what I hear (people on the news group are going bonkers over it).
IntelliJ has a fantastically intelligent editor (surprisingly so at
times) and lets you autocomplete god-only-knows. I don't just mean
autocomplete in JSP, It lets you autocomplete PAGE includes in JSPs, it
lets you autocomplete taglibs, it ERROR checks taglib arguments to make
sure they are the right type, etc. etc.
Its damn impressive. Eclipse's editor is getting a lot of these features
though, its just these plugins (especially for web app devel) that
aren't taking advantage of any of it yet. But its not a trivial task,
maybe in a year or so we'll get something sweet w.r.t to web dev stuff.
For straight coding, I'd say they are pretty close.
Vic Cekvneich wrote:
> You can download both for free. If you like inteliJ, then you pay them a
> small fee.
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> I like Eclipse becuase of plugins, and becuase it has GREAT CVS support.
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> .V
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> Robert Ludewig wrote:
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>> Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
>> wich one is better ?
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117359 is a reply to message #117308] |
Sun, 16 November 2003 12:44 |
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Originally posted by: kai.emptydomain.de
Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
> That's an understatement... the CVS support in eclipse is bar none
> phenominal.
Excuse me if I say this, but I was not terribly impressed, after
having used PCL-CVS which comes with Emacs.
This is not to say that the CVS support is bad. On the contrary, it
is quite good. I only wanted to say that there are other programs
which also have good CVS support.
Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117384 is a reply to message #117359] |
Sun, 16 November 2003 16:29 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
This could very well be the case, I'm a bit of a closet-case Java IDE
person; besides command line CVS, I've used waht the IDEs provide.
Kai Grossjohann wrote:
> Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
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>>That's an understatement... the CVS support in eclipse is bar none
>>phenominal.
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> Excuse me if I say this, but I was not terribly impressed, after
> having used PCL-CVS which comes with Emacs.
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> This is not to say that the CVS support is bad. On the contrary, it
> is quite good. I only wanted to say that there are other programs
> which also have good CVS support.
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> Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117679 is a reply to message #117203] |
Mon, 17 November 2003 16:53 |
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Originally posted by: m_k_mclaren.hotxnospamxmail.com
I switched from IntelliJ to Eclipse about 6 months ago. IntelliJ IS the
better IDE (very polished, developer-focused), but it's just not worth the
money when Eclipse is free.
Robert Ludewig wrote:
> Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
> wich one is better ?
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117691 is a reply to message #117679] |
Mon, 17 November 2003 17:48 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
I'd agree with this reason as well as assessment. IDEA is a much more
mature product, and VERY developer/code focused. But Eclipse isn't very
far behind w.r.t. to editing code, and its not $700.
Mark McLaren wrote:
> I switched from IntelliJ to Eclipse about 6 months ago. IntelliJ IS the
> better IDE (very polished, developer-focused), but it's just not worth the
> money when Eclipse is free.
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> Robert Ludewig wrote:
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>>Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
>>wich one is better ?
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117820 is a reply to message #117384] |
Mon, 17 November 2003 21:35 |
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Originally posted by: kai.emptydomain.de
Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
> This could very well be the case, I'm a bit of a closet-case Java IDE
> person; besides command line CVS, I've used waht the IDEs provide.
8-) I used to be a closet-case Emacs person, but then I wanted to
broaden my horizon. Note that Emacs is also an IDE, it's just that
its idea of the I in IDE is different. Also, Emacs in general is
different from most other programs. Maybe you'd like to try it out
someday, in the interest of broadening horizons ;-)
I believe that a lot of good cross-fertilization can come from having
both camps examine what the other does.
Actually, Eclipse and Emacs follow a similar philosophy: they are just
frameworks for easily plugging in useful functionality, and the power
comes from the plugins written for them. That's what made Eclipse
attractive to me, even if I might never write a plugin.
Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #117856 is a reply to message #117691] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 00:00 |
 yinglcs
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Hi,
When you say Intellij is more polished and developer-focused, could you
please give me some examples?
I compare intellij 3.0.5 and eclipse 3.0M4, I don't see there is a much
difference.
And I am not sure why Intellij 3.0.5 only support Tomcat 4.0.x (not 4.1 or
5.0.x), I find that too restrictive. Eclipse + Tomcat plugin, I can do
tomcat 4.0.x + 4.1 + 5.0.x.
And I don't see Intellij 3.0.5 has "diff" feature, which I find that quite
useful.
But I like the Intellij 3.0.5 code folding feature.
I dont use Intellij a lot, so I may miss good things about Intellij.
"Riyad Kalla" <rsk@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:bpb1i2$mi1$1@eclipse.org...
> I'd agree with this reason as well as assessment. IDEA is a much more
> mature product, and VERY developer/code focused. But Eclipse isn't very
> far behind w.r.t. to editing code, and its not $700.
>
> Mark McLaren wrote:
>
> > I switched from IntelliJ to Eclipse about 6 months ago. IntelliJ IS the
> > better IDE (very polished, developer-focused), but it's just not worth
the
> > money when Eclipse is free.
> >
> > Robert Ludewig wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
> >>wich one is better ?
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #118021 is a reply to message #117856] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 13:49 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
If you do need to compare them more accurately, wait for the 4.0 release
(end of this month) then try.
But you are right, between 3.0M4 and IntelliJ 3.0.5, its not
night-and-day difference.
As far as supporting Tomcat 4.1, it just requires you to add 1 line to
your VM arguments to change the logging library to use, and it works
fine. But from what I hear, 4.1 wasn't a great release, so not a lot of
IDEs supported it (didn't have debugging abilities or something).
But IntelliJ 4 already has full support for 5.0 and from what I hear,
allows you to debug fully (event struts/tiles and things liek that...
pretty awesome).
The UI designer that is comming in 4 is a different approach. It uses
byte code injection. I'm not sure what I think of it yet, because its
not your typical run-of-the-mill UI builder. They use very specific
controls for layout and such and the idea of the builder isn't to build
the whole IDE, but just parts of it... for example, build the panels
that make up a user registration dialog 1-panel at a time.
The CVS support is all brand new, the underlying libraries are from
SmartCVS and from the reactions I've seen on the list serve, people are
going nuts over it. Aparently the new diff tool is amazing (I've not
tried it).
Some other features you might want to try. Tools->Inspections. This is
just SWEET. You can have intelliJ inspect your code, and correct the
mistakes for you. The autocomplete intelligence speaks for itself, and
holding CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE does an intelligent type-aware autocomplete.
Some things you might have noticed by now, is not only type matching,
but it uses the names of the variables to aid in autocomplete... so for
example, if you do:
object.setName(object2.get|
if Object2 has a method called "getName" and "getAddress" that both
return the same type (say String) intelliJ will suggest (normal
complete) the getName for you, or insert (smart autocomplete) the
getName call because the naming matches your setter. Its these little
things that take you about a month to find, but just blow you away when
you do find them.
And forget about extending a class and calling the super method... it
fills in ALL the variables for you with the right ones, its fantastic.
e.g. of what I mean:
public class Test{
public Test(int width, int height, String name, String address, Date time)
}
public class Test2 extends Test{
public Test2(int newValue1, int newValue2, String newValue3, int width,
int height, String name, String address, Date time){
super| <-- use smart autocomplete here, it will fill out all the super
constructor values with the CORRECT ONES from the given context by using
type matching, then name matching. None of the "newValue" fields will be
used, because they weren't part of the super class's original arguments.
}
}
Anyway, I've turned two of my buddies onto IntelliJ, but it takes
atleast 2 weeks, at most 1 month to really appreciate the IDE. You just
don't notice enough right off the bat because all the "Sweetness" of it
is subtle.
Best,
-Riyad
yinglcs wrote:
> Hi,
> When you say Intellij is more polished and developer-focused, could you
> please give me some examples?
> I compare intellij 3.0.5 and eclipse 3.0M4, I don't see there is a much
> difference.
>
> And I am not sure why Intellij 3.0.5 only support Tomcat 4.0.x (not 4.1 or
> 5.0.x), I find that too restrictive. Eclipse + Tomcat plugin, I can do
> tomcat 4.0.x + 4.1 + 5.0.x.
> And I don't see Intellij 3.0.5 has "diff" feature, which I find that quite
> useful.
> But I like the Intellij 3.0.5 code folding feature.
> I dont use Intellij a lot, so I may miss good things about Intellij.
>
>
> "Riyad Kalla" <rsk@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:bpb1i2$mi1$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>I'd agree with this reason as well as assessment. IDEA is a much more
>>mature product, and VERY developer/code focused. But Eclipse isn't very
>>far behind w.r.t. to editing code, and its not $700.
>>
>>Mark McLaren wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I switched from IntelliJ to Eclipse about 6 months ago. IntelliJ IS the
>>>better IDE (very polished, developer-focused), but it's just not worth
>
> the
>
>>>money when Eclipse is free.
>>>
>>>Robert Ludewig wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe its a stupid question to ask (here) , but:
>>>>wich one is better ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #118101 is a reply to message #117820] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 18:19 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
Oh don't get me wrong, Emacs + JDE is how I learned to program, its
fantastic. But damnit, I need clickie buttons and wizards to tell me
what I did wrong :)
Kai Grossjohann wrote:
> Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
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>>This could very well be the case, I'm a bit of a closet-case Java IDE
>>person; besides command line CVS, I've used waht the IDEs provide.
>
>
> 8-) I used to be a closet-case Emacs person, but then I wanted to
> broaden my horizon. Note that Emacs is also an IDE, it's just that
> its idea of the I in IDE is different. Also, Emacs in general is
> different from most other programs. Maybe you'd like to try it out
> someday, in the interest of broadening horizons ;-)
>
> I believe that a lot of good cross-fertilization can come from having
> both camps examine what the other does.
>
> Actually, Eclipse and Emacs follow a similar philosophy: they are just
> frameworks for easily plugging in useful functionality, and the power
> comes from the plugins written for them. That's what made Eclipse
> attractive to me, even if I might never write a plugin.
>
> Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #118111 is a reply to message #118101] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 20:55 |
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Originally posted by: kai.emptydomain.de
Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
> Oh don't get me wrong, Emacs + JDE is how I learned to program, its
> fantastic. But damnit, I need clickie buttons and wizards to tell me
> what I did wrong :)
Yes, there are some quite amazing things in Eclipse, including the
on-the-fly syntax checking. And Ctrl-1 of course. I'm still hoping
that they will be in Emacs someday.
Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #118149 is a reply to message #118111] |
Tue, 18 November 2003 22:36 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
wow I didn't know about ctrl-1... sweet!
Kai Grossjohann wrote:
> Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
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>>Oh don't get me wrong, Emacs + JDE is how I learned to program, its
>>fantastic. But damnit, I need clickie buttons and wizards to tell me
>>what I did wrong :)
>
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> Yes, there are some quite amazing things in Eclipse, including the
> on-the-fly syntax checking. And Ctrl-1 of course. I'm still hoping
> that they will be in Emacs someday.
>
> Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #126410 is a reply to message #118149] |
Thu, 11 December 2003 19:30 |
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Eclipse 3M5 does all the smart completion stuff you were talking about,
very impressive. Adding your own templates is a snap.
Next thing it needs is Design Pattern templates. I wanna just go
New/Pattern Implementation and have a wizard walk me through it. Some of
the other vendors who have tried to do Patterns have done some good
things (most notably TogetherSoft), but there is a huge opportunity for
more extensibility and more smart code generation. For instance, when
you implement Composite you have the choice of putting the add method in
the base or at the composite node, and frankly, why not supply the
method to recursively walk the resulting tree? Anyway.... soap boxing...
Riyad Kalla wrote:
> wow I didn't know about ctrl-1... sweet!
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> Kai Grossjohann wrote:
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>> Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
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>>> Oh don't get me wrong, Emacs + JDE is how I learned to program, its
>>> fantastic. But damnit, I need clickie buttons and wizards to tell me
>>> what I did wrong :)
>>
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>> Yes, there are some quite amazing things in Eclipse, including the
>> on-the-fly syntax checking. And Ctrl-1 of course. I'm still hoping
>> that they will be in Emacs someday.
>>
>> Kai
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| Re: eclipse vs. IntelliJ IDEA [message #126795 is a reply to message #126410] |
Fri, 12 December 2003 15:54 |
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Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu
Yes Rob you are right, Eclipse 3.0 is really progessing rapidly and
becomming quite the competative environment.
Have you filed a feature request for this? Or checked the project design
docs to see if its planned? I think a lot of people would like this
fucntionality.
Rob Williams wrote:
> Eclipse 3M5 does all the smart completion stuff you were talking about,
> very impressive. Adding your own templates is a snap.
>
> Next thing it needs is Design Pattern templates. I wanna just go
> New/Pattern Implementation and have a wizard walk me through it. Some of
> the other vendors who have tried to do Patterns have done some good
> things (most notably TogetherSoft), but there is a huge opportunity for
> more extensibility and more smart code generation. For instance, when
> you implement Composite you have the choice of putting the add method in
> the base or at the composite node, and frankly, why not supply the
> method to recursively walk the resulting tree? Anyway.... soap boxing...
>
> Riyad Kalla wrote:
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>> wow I didn't know about ctrl-1... sweet!
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>> Kai Grossjohann wrote:
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>>> Riyad Kalla <rsk@email.arizona.edu> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh don't get me wrong, Emacs + JDE is how I learned to program, its
>>>> fantastic. But damnit, I need clickie buttons and wizards to tell me
>>>> what I did wrong :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, there are some quite amazing things in Eclipse, including the
>>> on-the-fly syntax checking. And Ctrl-1 of course. I'm still hoping
>>> that they will be in Emacs someday.
>>>
>>> Kai
>>>
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