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Q: SSE based editor implementation [message #85494] Mon, 21 March 2005 23:46 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: constantine.plotnikov.gmail.com

Are demos on how to create own SSE-based editor expected soon?

If not, would it be possible to work in this newsgroup or by private
emails in the following way? (I do not know if SSE development team has
time for it now or not. Or possibly there is SSE sample editor well
underway so such process would be waste of time now.):

1. I ask some question about M3 build of SSE. Some questions mighgt be
very specific and some might be very generic like which components or
interfaces should be implemented first to get own editor working.
2. Someone from SSE team will write answer.
3. I will go further implmenting editor and and studying sources until
next stumpling block.
4. Repeat unil somewhat functional editor is created.

Note: my project is open source one, so there will be no problems with
disclosing any project related information. Or using information related
to my project in samples. So such ineraction might form basis of the
future documentation.

Constantine
Re: SSE based editor implementation [message #85854 is a reply to message #85494] Tue, 22 March 2005 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
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I have a related question. I recall reading that the SSE was intended to
support "markup-like languages" similar to XML, or dialects of XML (e.g. XSD
or WSDL). Is the SSE equally useful for non-markup editors? In particular,
I'm looking into editors for ontology languages and rules (e.g. OWL and
SWRL). These are both XML, but I expect non-XML sytaxes to be useful or
required, especially for rules. Is SSE useful for this?

"Constantie Plotnikov" <constantine.plotnikov@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d1nr4a$srk$1@news.eclipse.org...
> Are demos on how to create own SSE-based editor expected soon?
>
> If not, would it be possible to work in this newsgroup or by private
> emails in the following way? (I do not know if SSE development team has
> time for it now or not. Or possibly there is SSE sample editor well
> underway so such process would be waste of time now.):
Re: SSE based editor implementation [message #85869 is a reply to message #85854] Tue, 22 March 2005 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: constantine.plotnikov.gmail.com

Acutally SSE framework already supports JavaScript and CSS editors.
Neither is XML-sh. Also as understand JSP editing is supported, so it is
even possible to mix XML and non-xml languages in one source.

I persontally would like to use for [strictly saying markup] non-XML
language. However a current framework is a bit convoluted for untrained
eye, so I'm trying to get some help.

Constantine

Dave Carlson wrote:
> I have a related question. I recall reading that the SSE was intended to
> support "markup-like languages" similar to XML, or dialects of XML (e.g. XSD
> or WSDL). Is the SSE equally useful for non-markup editors? In particular,
> I'm looking into editors for ontology languages and rules (e.g. OWL and
> SWRL). These are both XML, but I expect non-XML sytaxes to be useful or
> required, especially for rules. Is SSE useful for this?
>
> "Constantie Plotnikov" <constantine.plotnikov@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d1nr4a$srk$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
>>Are demos on how to create own SSE-based editor expected soon?
>>
>>If not, would it be possible to work in this newsgroup or by private
>>emails in the following way? (I do not know if SSE development team has
>>time for it now or not. Or possibly there is SSE sample editor well
>>underway so such process would be waste of time now.):
>
>
>
Re: Q: SSE based editor implementation [message #86052 is a reply to message #85494] Wed, 23 March 2005 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Williams is currently offline David WilliamsFriend
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:46:36 +0600, Constantie Plotnikov <constantine.plotnikov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are demos on how to create own SSE-based editor expected soon?
>
> If not, would it be possible to work in this newsgroup or by private
> emails in the following way? (I do not know if SSE development team has
> time for it now or not. Or possibly there is SSE sample editor well
> underway so such process would be waste of time now.):
>
> 1. I ask some question about M3 build of SSE. Some questions mighgt be
> very specific and some might be very generic like which components or
> interfaces should be implemented first to get own editor working.
> 2. Someone from SSE team will write answer.
> 3. I will go further implmenting editor and and studying sources until
> next stumpling block.
> 4. Repeat unil somewhat functional editor is created.
>
> Note: my project is open source one, so there will be no problems with
> disclosing any project related information. Or using information related
> to my project in samples. So such ineraction might form basis of the
> future documentation.
>
> Constantine
>

Sorry to have not responded to your previous post on this newsgroup. We very much
would like to have the community working with our API, offering feedback, and just
generally encouraging us along :)

I've started some overview documnents, e.g. see
http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/wst/components/sse/overview. html
Its not complete, but you might find it helpful, and your feedback very welcome.

There a couple of small examples started. You can check the code out of CVS. See
org.eclipse.wst.xml.examples.cheat-sheet-editor
and
org.eclipse.wst.html.ui.examples.editors

Again ... nothing in final, correct, tutorial form, but probably better than nothing.

It would help us to have a ongoing discussion of what you need, what you are trying, etc.
(More interest generates more documenation :) and, ideally, maybe you could contribute something
back, in the form of an examples, some "how to" articles ... unit tests, bugzillas, whatever.
Re: SSE based editor implementation [message #86066 is a reply to message #85854] Wed, 23 March 2005 04:55 Go to previous message
David Williams is currently offline David WilliamsFriend
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:50:12 -0700, Dave Carlson <dcarlson@xmlmodeling.com> wrote:

> I have a related question. I recall reading that the SSE was intended to
> support "markup-like languages" similar to XML, or dialects of XML (e.g. XSD
> or WSDL). Is the SSE equally useful for non-markup editors? In particular,
> I'm looking into editors for ontology languages and rules (e.g. OWL and
> SWRL). These are both XML, but I expect non-XML syntax to be useful or
> required, especially for rules. Is SSE useful for this?
>

Yes, when its said "intended to support 'markup-like languages'" it simply means anything
that's DOM like (isn't everything :)

For example, we've had clients that wanted XML (not XHTML), but with a <SCRIPT> tag, where javascript appears
in the SCRIPT tags. The framework can help in this case, by being able to create a DOM, where the javascript is known
to be treated as (CDATA) text sections. Of course, what you do with the script language, would have to be implemented
by you. You might find SSE useful for it, or, if simple enough, you might handle in some other way
(e.g. based just on keywords, not structure).

Hope this at least whets your appetite :)
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